Dodger Thoughts and Snake Pits + Open Off-Day Thread
Arizona won't lose today: I can predict this with more confidence than usual, thanks to them not actually being scheduled to play. Somehow, however, I have a sneaking suspicion that the bullpen will still find a way to blow things and take the L. Random discussion and DodgerWatch to follow, with today's main topic being, "What the hell do we do?" I feel sympathy for Bob Melvin, since it seems that no matter which pitcher he throws up there, suckage follows.
Over the past couple of days, I've been trading emails with Jon Weisman of Sports Illustrated and the excellent Dodger Thoughts site, discussing each other's teams, in advance of the big series between them this weekend - which at least means one losing streak will come to an end! Here's our discussion, to shed some light on the nearest rival, whom we'll be facing over the next three games - many thanks to Jon for the conversation.
Jon: Jim, the Dodgers have been nipping at Arizona's heels for months now, but haven't been able to do the leapfrog thing. In fact, now the Dodgers are back under .500 and entered this week as far out of the NL West lead as they've been all summer. How confident are you guys feeling about winning the division?
Jim: According to coolstandings.com, we have a 69.8% chance of winning the division at time of writing, but you'd be hard-pushed to find any Arizona fan who feels anywhere near that confident. Obviously, being in front is the place to be, and every game where the Dodgers don't catch up helps the Diamondbacks: time is on our side, not yours. That said, I'd be a lot more optimistic if both teams were playing well: it's hardly comfortable when our team motto is no longer, "Anybody, anytime," but "Well, at least Los Angeles lost, too." The question is as much, how confident are you guys feeling about not winning it?
Jon: The Phillies series, which reversed the Dodgers' four-game sweep of them earlier in the month, was as big a morale destroyer as I've seen all year. But Arizona losing three of four during the same period just showed that, though Dodger fans shouldn't necessarily be confident, they shouldn't give up either.
Jim: Both teams made post-deadline moves, acquiring sluggers in Manny Ramirez and Adam Dunn. Why did the Dodgers not put in a claim on Dunn, to stop the Diamondbacks from getting him? And do you think either team has a realistic shot at signing their player long-term?
Jon: The Dodgers haven't addressed the claiming Dunn question officially; the conclusion we're left with is that it was a non-issue for them, and/or they didn't want to deal with the potential financial and roster implications of having him on the team. Neither of those answers are particularly satisfying for a lot of us.
The Dodgers will have the ability to sign a top-tier free agent this offseason, so I think they have a shot at Ramirez, but I don't know if the will is there. During the brief period in which Alex Rodriguez was a free agent last fall, the Dodgers didn't position themselves as serious contenders. I'm not saying the situations are identical, but I don't tend to think that a Ramirez deal will get done. I have to admit, I hadn't even gotten to the point of wondering whether Dunn would be with Arizona in 2009. What do you think?
Jim: While I'd like to see it, I'm doubtful we have enough room to make a competitive offer. It's a relatively thin free-agent market this year, and it's probable that we also have to replace Orlando Hudson at second-base. If we hadn't already committed to paying Eric Byrnes through 2010, I could see us moving Conor Jackson to LF permanently, and making an offer, but I think we'll take the two draft picks and move on.
Here in Arizona, we expect to see pitching phenom Max Scherzer added to the Diamondbacks roster as part of the September expamsion, though it's not sure if he will see playing time as a starter or strengthening the bullpen, which has struggled of late. Los Angeles have their own phenom in Clayton Kershaw, but there's some question as to whether he would be available in the playoffs, or even for the full season. How far do you see him going?
Jon: Part of the rationale behind the Greg Maddux pickup was to allow the Dodgers to stick to their plan of curtailing Kershaw's innings at about 170. You won't see Kershaw start in the playoffs even if the Dodgers have the opportunity, and I think he would be used sparingly in relief. Chad Billingsley, Derek Lowe, Hiroki Kuroda and Maddux would form the postseason rotation. It might be worth noting that James McDonald is another young starter who could see some action at least out of the bullpen in September.
I've noticed several commentators of late leaning toward Arizona because of their big three: Brandon Webb, Dan Haren and Randy Johnson. But Johnson's not exactly the pitcher he used to be. What's your feeling about the Diamondback rotation overall heading into the stretch run?
Jim: Johnson has been a second-half revelation. Many people expected him to flag, or be skipped occasionally to keep him fresh, but he hasn't missed a game all year - and has a 1.82 ERA, with a K:BB ratio of 53:7, in eight starts since the All-Star Game. He seems to have benefited from a side session he threw during the break, under the eye of pitching coach Tom House. Can he keep it up? Well, he could double that post-break ERA and still be a formidable #3. Personally, I'm more concerned about Doug Davis, who may be wearing down - understandably - after having his cancerous thyroid removed in April, or Yusmeiro Petit and his amazing .195 BABIP.
The Dodgers offense, even with Ramirez, is scuffling badly. The series opener against the Nationals made it eight consecutive games scoring three runs or less, tying an NL season-high. Is there a particular cause? And, perhaps more importantly for LA, a cure?
Jon: They're slumping, slumping badly. This is a challenged offensive team, reliant for the most part on stringing hits together, but clearly, if this is some record-high streak of ineptitude in the NL for 2008, it's not the Dodgers' usual behavior. They are leaving runners on base rather than not getting them on in the first place, which is usually a sign that a team isn't hopeless at the plate. So the cure is time. Whether that cure will come soon enough, or with enough time remaining in the schedule, I don't know.
And yet, there's Arizona, with a chance to go four up in the division, letting San Diego knock out Webb. Neither of these teams can really seem to get their act together. Webb losing is obviously a fluke, but what is the Diamondbacks' biggest worry?
Jim: If anything is going to sink us, it's the bullpen. They have a second-half ERA of 5.34, and an 0-8 record after July 10. I've a nasty feeling manager Bob Melvin blew out Brandon Lyon's arm by using him in hard, back-to-back-to-back outings just after the break: his ERA before that was 2.43, but balloons to 12.75 since. Any apparent resulting lack of blown saves is largely because we've only had three in August - and Lyon had to be bailed out in one of those. While Melvin still professes confidence in his closer, I have little, and set-up man Jon Rauch, with his 6.19 ERA for us, isn't much more inspiring. We have good relievers - Juan Cruz and Tony Peña have generally been solid recently - but Melvin apparently dislikes using them in high-leverage situations for some reason.
Enough gloom and depression! Who - presumably outside of Manny - do you expect to step up and carry the Dodgers through the last month of the season?
Jon: Aside from Ramirez, I think it's really going to be up to the younger non-rookies - Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, James Loney and even Russell Martin, though he has logged more than 1,000 innings behind the plate, to have enough left to carry the offense. It's getting to be too late for Rafael Furcal to have much of an impact, though perhaps he might be able to offer occasional help off the bench in September. But overall, I think the key to the Dodgers winning will have to be pitching depth. Though Los Angeles can't match Arizona ace-for-ace, the Dodgers do have a solid staff top-to-bottom. There have been some blown saves, but I'm still confident in the group overall. I'm really hoping they can keep the muzzle on opponents in September.
And who will be Arizona's heroes, should they have heroes?
Jim: Justin Upton should return, and certainly has the chance - if he can regain his April form, where he batted 327/.372/.554. It's a big "if" however, since he hit below .200 after that. Third-baseman Mark Reynolds is notoriously streaky, so could get hot down the stretch too. But it's the rotation that has taken Arizona this far, and it'll be them that we need to keep us in games. In particular, I'd love to see Davis come through with some clutch performances: it'd be the ultimate feel-good story of the season, to go from being diagnosed with cancer to leading his team into the playoffs.
Looking into the post-season, how do you think the Dodgers would match-up against the other contenders? Who do you fear most?
Jon: I mostly fear the television industry making fun of the Dodgers even being in the postseason. I can't even think about potential Dodger playoff opponents. I just know that the pitching staff would have to come up huge, and the Dodgers would basically just need to get some of the luck that has eluded them since 1988.
Jim: I look forward to the ESPN angst if LA or AZ make the playoffs, and the Yankees don't, despite a better record! I feel the same about Arizona's chances - but once you reach the playoffs, the first 162 games become meaningless. That's probably the biggest thing either of our teams have in their favor.
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Not in any way related to the above
But Mrs. SnakePit was interviewed about our film festival. :-)
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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Props to Chris!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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I hate the Dodgers.
But I’ve always been a fan of Dodger Thoughts and Jon Weisman.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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It's awesome
that we keep a friendly and cordial correspondence with bloggers of teams that we hate, BTW.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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Great stuff Jim
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. -Albert Camus
by Zephon on
Aug 28, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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I am so emotionally worn out by the last three games that I can’t even think of any interesting subjects to discuss on the off-day. I just can’t believe how inept our bullpen has been. Usually I don’t jump on the “this team is awful” bandwagon; but now I am at least standing in line for it. Losing three straight to the Padres — the Padres!! — makes me wonder about the intensity of this team. Erf. Just — erf.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on
Aug 28, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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I do know what you mean
But the only consistent thing about this team is their inconsistency. I would certainly rather they get swept by the Padres, then sweep the Dodgers this weekend, and not the other way about. But I think Melvin will need to have a crowbar in the dugout, because he’s going to need it if he wants to pry the D-backs starter off the mound with a lead…
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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Kershaw's about to implode in the 1st, again
2 in, 2 on, 1 out for the Nats!
by snakecharmer on
Aug 28, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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[Loud sustained laughter]
Where has AZWILDCATS been for the past week?
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
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Maybe if we say his name 3 times, he'll magically appear?
Don’t do it!! :P
by snakecharmer on
Aug 28, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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Bloody mary...
bloody mary…
bloody mary!
What's for dinner, mum? Heinz Baked Beans.
by soco on
Aug 28, 2008 8:21 PM EDT
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Anti-Catholic....
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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I am
SHOCKED, SHOCKED, to find out that he hasn’t been around…..
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
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And don't forget
They have to get on the plane after the game, and fly to AZ. Let’s hope they have to burn a lot of their bullpen arms tonight, after Kershaw took 37 pitches to get through the first…
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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And Kershaw pulled
5.1 innings at least from the LA bullpen tonight. Excellent!
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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o man o man
god is smiling down at the dbacks hahaha how are the dodgers are losing again if the get swept by the nats im going to do a happy dance haha this is incredible im loving it
by azwebber17 on
Aug 28, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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So.....
anyone else paying attention to Doggers/Nats?
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:36 PM EDT
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No. I’m counting on you.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on
Aug 28, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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But.....
you can’t blame me! I finished off the rest of the pizza today!!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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Counting on you
Oh, no!! I meant I was counting on YOU to pay attention to the game on my behalf. No pressure to be responsible for the score.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on
Aug 28, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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Well......
I s’pose that’s a good thing??
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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Yeah. Plus you had pizza. So, yum.
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by 4 Corners Fan on
Aug 28, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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To be honest,
I’m actually watching Redskins/Jacksonville in preseason, and watching Nats/Dodgers on MLB GameDay.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:57 PM EDT
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Besides
why do you hate the Dbacks!? It’s LA 2 DC 5!!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
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It's distracting me from work
Not sure if that’s a good thing or not.
by snakecharmer on
Aug 28, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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Nationals have two on with no outs in the fifth
Be nice if they could add to their lead.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 28, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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GIDP
Stupid Nationals.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 28, 2008 8:50 PM EDT
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Worthless....
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:54 PM EDT
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Hey-o!!
Two run single!! Thank Jebus for that bastard Dukes stealing 2nd! 7-2.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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7-2, Nationals.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 28, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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Yay!
Monsoon in Tuksun!!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:05 PM EDT
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But
I’m @ home this time.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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Looking pretty good in Washington
If all goes well, the Dodgers will drop their seventh straight and arrive in Phoenix, tired, demoralized and with no bullpen arms left.
Thank you, Washington!
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 9:10 PM EDT
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All those things in our favor
will make it that much more painful to lose two of three.
by Azreous on
Aug 28, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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How do you get swept by the 2nd worst team in the National League
and, in the process, gain a half a game on your nearest rival?
Watch your nearest rival get swept by the worst team in the National League.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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And the beautiful thing is
No matter what, the Dodgers will leave Phoenix just as they arrived- in second place.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 28, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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Nah nah!
Suck it, LA!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 29, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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Wow.
I just realized that this is one of the few times when I can unmistakeably root for more than one DC team!
GO NATS! GO REDSKINS!!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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8-2, Nats!!
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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Yawn.
Elijah Dukes homers. 9-2.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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Some National just hit for the cycle!
Oh, Guzman. Homer, single, double triple!
by snakecharmer on
Aug 28, 2008 9:51 PM EDT
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Cristian Guzman is so good.
Errr……. wait, what??
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 28, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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You only have to be good (and lucky) for one game to hit for the cycle. See Chad Moeller who is currently Triple AAA-Yankees.
by TwinnerA on
Aug 28, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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Greg Colbrunn?
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 29, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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We thought we were bad
But we did at least keep the Padres out of double-digits in our series…
10-2 Nationals…
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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And it's over
Nationals clobbers the Dodgers 11-2 to complete the sweep, and give us an extra half-game advantage, at 3.5 games. That guarantees that, even if we get swept, we’ll still be in first-place after the weekend. Here’s hoping that doesn’t happen, needless to say…
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 28, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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Whew.
’Skins, you can relax.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on
Aug 28, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
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I guess he made the right call, vis-a-vis the pizza situation. Nice work, ’Skins.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 28, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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Upton's return
They’re saying Upton’s supposed to be back on the roster tomorrow or Friday. Wonder who we’ll see playing where. I’m not sure about the Reynolds-at-second idea- as hypothetically interesting as it sounds, I’m not sure I want to be testing hypotheticals in the midst of a close playoff race. (Ugh, if only we could have won a couple of games in San Diego…) Someone on the radio called in and asked about moving Upton to center, but that seems like a bad idea to me- Young may not be doing well at the plate, but he’s played some great defense out there.
And there was a bit in the paper this morning about Byrnes wanting to return this season. Really?
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 28, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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About Upton returning tomorrow or Friday. Uh, tomorrow (actually today since it is after midnight) is Friday!
I heard Keith Law on the radio tonight saying he thinks Upton should be in RF, Dunn in LF, Young in CF, Reynolds stays at 3rd and Jackson back to 1st.
by TwinnerA on
Aug 29, 2008 3:19 AM EDT
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Uh
I was, um, posting using- ::quickly converts time in head::- European time! Yeah, so, uh, I meant tomorrow (Saturday) or Friday! Yeah, that’s it! Exactly…
Right, anyway. That one would make the most sense. Conor seems happier out in left field, but he’s a better first baseman than Dunn, and I know everyone’s worried about Tracy’s durability at third.
(Fun fact discovered while writing this post: Tracy has a better career zone rating at right field (.923) than Dunn (.849) or Upton (.838). Or is it really all that fun?)
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 29, 2008 3:32 AM EDT
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In other Dodgers news...
The Los Angeles Dodgers optioned struggling pitcher Clayton Kershaw to Triple-A Las Vegas after the left-hander allowed five early runs in an 11-2 loss to the Washington Nationals on Thursday night.
The slumping Dodgers recalled left-hander Scott Elbert from Double-A Jacksonville, where he was 4-1 with a 2.40 ERA.
Fresh meat for the weekend! :)
by snakecharmer on
Aug 28, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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Woot!
Interesting, given that some thought they were bringing in Maddux to help mentor Kershaw, and keep Kershaw’s innings down.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 29, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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Well, that worked. He won’t be getting ANY innings now.
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by 4 Corners Fan on
Aug 29, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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Actually, now that I look at it, it’s probably not that big a deal. The 51s only have five games left, including tonight, so he’s probably just going to be back up once the rosters expand.
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 29, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
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Wasn't it AZWILDCATS
who claimed that Kershaw is a future HOFer and 300 game winner?
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Aug 29, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
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MAJOR storm action
We were just in the back-yard, and watching the storm coming towards us. It was less like lightning than a strobe in effect, with six to eight flashes of lightning per second. According to the TV, the storm cell is 55,000 ft high. And it’s coming right for us. So I’m battening down the hatches and turning everything off. Hold tight!
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 29, 2008 12:51 AM EDT
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We’ve been watching the very impressive lightning show, too- reminded us why we missed Arizona summers- and given that the wind has picked up enough that I can now hear it over the stereo, I think I might need to follow Jim’s example…
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 29, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
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I am so glad that for about 360 days a year, I don’t live anywhere near lightning.
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Aug 29, 2008 1:41 AM EDT
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Good grief
that was INTENSE! For a good 45 minutes, it was like Disco Night at the Roller Rink. Then when the thunder started, it was continuous for about 15 to 20 minutes… just rolling and rolling. Very active monsoons this year. Think we’ll set a record for rainfall. A lot of water flowing off South Mountain again tonight.
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
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Aug 29, 2008 2:24 AM EDT
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Journey to work from hell today
Cactus to the 51 – blocked, trees
Tatum to the 51 – blocked, trees
16th St south – phone-lines down
7th St south – multiple phone-lines down. It looked like one had come down and brought about six with.it.
Ths usual 25 minute trip took an hour and five…
by Jim McLennan on
Aug 29, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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That sucks
My drive took no longer than ususal to work and I only saw one felled branch. We got lots of the rolling thunder/flashes last night and some rain to follow after 10:30 but nothing any worse. I hear it looks like a war zone in some areas.
by TwinnerA on
Aug 29, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
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ended up having 4 storms in my part of town.
last one at 1:00am. Lightning struck a light post right next to my place. The flash was a blinding white light and the thunder seemed to almost come before the the flash. Shook the whole neighborhood to the core!
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
by unnamedDBacksfan on
Aug 29, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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better health
The blood pressure of D-Back and Dodger fans everywhere would be improved if we just watched the other team play. Unfortunately even that strategy will be foiled this weeekend.
"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck
by njjohn on
Aug 29, 2008 12:52 AM EDT
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Well,
we could always just watch the Yankees or Red Sox on ESPN?
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Aug 29, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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Nice work
ESPN talks about the Diamondbacks-Dodgers series a bit today. They show their traditional excellence in reporting: “Still, the Dodgers come into this series having lost six in a row, including three straight against the Nationals.” Uh, they lost seven in a row, guys…
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 29, 2008 2:44 AM EDT
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Some thoughts for you :)
1. Washington is awesome!!!
2. I don’t understand Upton’s struggles. There have been at least 3 games where Tuscon scored 10+ runs on 15+ hits in the time he’s been there, but his line in those games is 1-5. I obviously don’t have the numbers on this, but he’s probably been the 7th best hitter in that lineup over his “rehab” :(
I know he’s under extreme pressure, and I agree with the thinking to keep him there until he starts hitting, but it seems to be backfiring.
3. Dunn. We NEED to keep that guy, whatever it takes. Whatever. It. Takes. Even though he hit only 2 homers for us, his at-bats are great, his presence is amazing, and his OBP is better than Young’s and Burke’s put together :)
I keep hearing we need a second baseman and we’ll make a run at Mark Ellis. He of the 31 years of age and 90 OPS+ this season. Ojeda has proven time and time again he’s capable in defense and not a terrible hitter. We need to take the money we would pay Ellis, and the Ortiz money and give it all to Dunn.
I know, Ojeda is not a great hitter, but would you rather have Dunn at first and Ojeda at second, or Ellis and Tracy? For me, it’s a no-brainer.
by paqs on
Aug 29, 2008 8:17 AM EDT
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There is another player already here where fans said
to keep him, that we need to do “Whatever. it. takes”. We see how well that is going. I’d rather get the draft picks. Let him walk and focus on Webb. Funny how he is never one of the players fans say “whatever. It. Takes.”
Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
by unnamedDBacksfan on
Aug 29, 2008 9:18 AM EDT
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Are you kidding? Only about three dozen times in the last few weeks alone has the sentiment been stated that we want the FO to do “whatever. it. takes.” to keep Webby here.
"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck
by njjohn on
Aug 29, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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Just in case it hasn't been said
please, D-Backs, keep Webbie, whatever it takes!
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on
Aug 29, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
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Seriously?
We’ve said things like “Give Webb whatever he wants” or “Just give Webb a blank check and let him fill it in.” There’s never been any attitude other than “Whatever. It. Takes.” to sign Webby around here.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind keeping Dunn, but within limits. And I think he’s going to be asking for too much money for us to keep him. Unless he decides he really loves playing in Arizona in these two months, and gives us a discount. But that’d leave us with four outfielders, or four corner infielders, and what do we do then?
"Only one thing is gonna walk you through this, Mal. Belief."
by kishi on
Aug 29, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
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I think
he’d definitely give us some discount — young, competitive team; soft division; player-friendly manager; great pitchers; etc.
Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.
by DbacksSkins on
Aug 29, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
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Plus,
you get to live in Arizona, and get to visit places like San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Denver on road trips. Not to mention the fact that the media here isn’t going to be comparing him unfavorably to Pete Rose every two minutes.
Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.
by DbacksSkins on
Aug 29, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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What?
Of course we have to keep Webb, but for me, that was never in question. No one expects us to keep Dunn, but we really, really should.
Who knows what will happen with draft picks?
by paqs on
Aug 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
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Keep Dunn, keep Webby.
Find a loophole in Eric Byrnes’ contract that allows us to invalidate it — for example, if he sucks.
Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.
by DbacksSkins on
Aug 29, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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ha ha. Too bad we’re not talking football here.
"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck
by njjohn on
Aug 29, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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