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Dunn in the Sun: Reds slugger comes to Arizona

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The Arizona Diamondbacks responded, in spades, to the Dodgers' acquisition of Manny Ramirez, picking up Cincinnati Reds slugger Adam Dunn this morning, in exchange for 2006 third-round draft pick Dallas Buck and two minor-league players to be named. Dunn is due to be paid about $4 million down the stretch, although reports have the Reds sending cash to Arizona, to help offset the cost.

Dunn has hit .233/.373/.528 with 32 homers and 74 RBI this season, figures that are right in line with his career line of .247/.380/.520; he has also hit exactly forty homers each of the past three season. He is also a strikeout machine - so he should fit in very well here. With Dunn, Arizona now has three of the top five strikeout men in the league: Mark Reynolds is second on 147 K's, Chris Young third at 122 and Dunn is fifth having fanned 120 times.

Dunn has played almost all the season at left-field, and the key question got Arizona is, where are we going to put him? The answer - at least for now - appears to be in right-field, replacing Romero as an everyday player [Incidentally, the promotion of outfielder Salazar to replace Hudson now makes a good deal more sense. I hope he enjoyed his at-bat on Saturday.] That's going to be interesting defensively, as Dunn hasn't played there since August 2003, and will also likely only be a temporary solution, since Justin Upton will (hopefully) be back in a couple of weeks.

That will complicate things even further, and while the waiver-wire claim by Arizona, interestingly, was made before we lost Hudson for the season, this adds even more complexity to the possible lineup At that point, there appear to be four main scenarios open:
    Dunn to 1B, Tracy to 3B, Reynolds to 2B
    Dunn to 1B, Tracy to bench, Ojeda/Burke to 2B
    Dunn to LF, CoJack to 1B, Tracy to 3B, Reynolds to 2B
    Dunn to LF, CoJack to 1B, Tracy to bench, Ojeda/Burke to 2B

There are some other possibilities, that would leave Dunn in RF:
   Upton moving to CF and Young being benched
   Upton going to 2B,
   Leaving Upton down in Triple-A and saving the service time.
But the first four seem the most likely. I've added a poll for this topic. Almost any of the viable options should also mean an end to playing-time for Tony Clark; however, given that we also should probably never have brought him back to Arizona to begin with, I am not optimistic this is the case.

Looking at what we are losing. The 23-year old Dallas Buck has Tommy John surgery in June last year, but is now back. He has a 1-5 record between South Bend (A-ball) and Visalia (High-A), with an ERA of 3.55 and K:BB ratio of 28:11. There's some suggestion that the other players may be ones who are currently on the 40-man roster - we would need to clear space there, to make room for Dunn, though we could move Hudson to the 60-day DL and open a spot that way. If not, possibilities there include infielders Javier Brito and Josh Whitesell, catcher Wilkin Castillo, and pitchers Emiliano Fruto and Esmerling Vasquez. I'm almost certain it won't be the untouchables like Scherzer or Parker.

Also worth bearing in mind is, that with Dunn almost certain to be a Type-A free agent, we'll get two additional draft picks in compensation. That's assuming we don't resign Dunn. Much though he would provide the left-handed power-hitter we've been looking for, he would likely be too expensive. He earns a total of $13m this year and, at age 28, will be seeking a prime contract [probably $15-20m per year] in free agency. He and Ramirez are among the cream of the crop among the available outfielders this off-season.

There's no doubt that this will prove a boost to Arizona's struggling offense in the last couple of months. Dunn is not such a BA threat as Ramirez, but his power is undeniable, and he should prosper. If the signing of Manny tipped the balance of power towards the coast, this brings things much closer to being balanced, if not actively towards the desert. And particularly nice timing to get him on board in time for a series in Colorado...

Poll
When Upton returns, what do we do?
Dunn to 1B, Tracy to 3B, Reynolds to 2B
82 votes
Dunn to 1B, Tracy to bench, Ojeda/Burke to 2B
15 votes
Dunn to LF, Jackson to 1B, Tracy to 3B, Reynolds to 2B
103 votes
Dunn to LF, Jackson to 1B, Tracy to bench, Ojeda/Burke to 2B
23 votes
Something else
32 votes

255 votes | Poll has closed

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Personally

I like the idea that Dunn goes to right. There he can be the everyday starter, with everything remaining the same with Jackson, Reynolds, and Tracy, as well as having Augie at 2nd. Then when Tracy gets a break, move Dunn to first, and then put Romero in right, which would leave Burke out of playing time in right field, but i assume he will split with Augie at 2nd.

Crap, scratch that…. Forgot about Upton. lol.

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gambo and Ash just pointed out that if Dunn, Lyon, and Hudson leave in the off-season, we’re going to be awash in compensation draft picks.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 4:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assuming

he’s a type-A or type-B FA, though?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assuming that we offer them all arbitration and they don't accept.

It’s also important to keep in mind that you don’t automatically get the 1st round pick of the signing team if that team has one of the first 15 picks.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Aug 11, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True that. You do risk that a player will go to arb. The club doesn’t offer arb to every FA.

And remember that if the team that picks up our guys also picks up another guy from a different team that also impacts the draft order as well. With the new CBA the comp picks are not as sexy as before. But even before the new CBA then it’s still a crap shoot that those picks ever become impact players at the ML level.

How many of Sir Billy Beans famous Moneyball picks ever made a big impact at the ML level? And those were better draft spots then are now available under the new CBA.

I feel that many people over value the comp picks.

by foulpole on Aug 11, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“How many of Sir Billy Beans famous Moneyball picks ever made a big impact at the ML level?”

Depends on how you feel about Nick Swisher, Joe Blanton, and Mark Teahan. Some would say getting all of them from a single draft, let alone one round, is a pretty decent haul.

by DBacksArb on Aug 12, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

welcome to Arizona Adam Dunn

Photobucket

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Aug 11, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um.... why would we option down Upton?

We wouldn’t actually SAVE any service time, would we? Since he’s already played enough this year? I’m not understanding the rules here.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We would need to send him down again in the future to get enough time to make a year. His brother was sent down three times before he stuck for good in the majors.

by DBacksArb on Aug 12, 2008 1:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If we could somehow...

Get Upton or Reynolds to play second base, if that really is possible, that would be our best possible lineup offensively, having all Jackson, Tracy, Dunn, Reynolds and Upton in… lol, imagine having the Dunn, Reynolds, and Upton batting all after each other.. i wonder how many consecutive strikeouts they would have…. and Chris Young. lol.

Just kidding, i’ll be positive. I really do like this trade. Though the reds seemed to screw up in my opinion when they were offered Tracy at the trade deadline….

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 5:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the signing of Manny tipped the balance of power towards the coast, this brings things much closer to being balanced, if not actively towards the desert. And particularly nice timing to get him on board in time for a series in Colorado…

I don’t think this “tipped the balance of power towards the desert”. I think it WOULD have, but only before O-Dawg got injured.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 5:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

That Dunn >>>> Romero, while Hudson >> Ojeda. Our lineup is significantly better than it was on Friday, put it that way.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 5:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

“players to be named later”

When is later? I think thats the thing I’m most confused on. Why does a team trade a top player when they don’t know what they are getting in return?

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have to be named within six months

Sometimes it will be a player who signed less than a year ago, since players with less service time cannot be traded (i.e., Jarrod Parker didn’t sign until last Aug. 15, so he couldn’t be named as a trade piece until a year later). And yes, that’s just wishful thinking on my part about Parker.

But the point is presumably both sides know who’s going to be traded. There’s just reasons why the players might be named later.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 11, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah i see

Thanks for clearing it up!

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s very rare that a PTBNL turns out to be an impact player or high level “prospect.”

by foulpole on Aug 11, 2008 8:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But

it would be necessary this time, if it IS Parker, since Parker only signed just before the deadline last year—August 15th.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure that it's "significantly" better.

Going by your scientific “carrot” theory, the net gain is only two carrots—or the difference between O-Dawg starting rather than Augie.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Over on DBBP

rgndvo ran a series of sims, before and after the loss of Hudson, and before and after the trade for Dunn. Here are the figures he came up with:

Lineup 1 – Pre-Dunn, Hudson at 2B
West – Avg wins, % win the division, % win the wc
ARI: 84.4, 69.5, 0.1

Lineup 2 – Pre-dunn, Augie starting at 2B
West – Avg wins, % win the division, % win the wc
ARI: 83.9, 63.9, 0.1

Lineup 3 – Dunn in LF, Conor at 1B, Tracy at 3B, Reynolds at 2B
ARI: 85.3, 75.7, 0.4

Based on this, the loss of Hudson cost us about half a win, but the gain of Dunn is good for 1.4 wins.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I mean, I allowed that we're much better with Dunn than without.

But this would have been a much stronger move had part of it not been negated by O-Dawg’s injury.

Which isn’t exactly rocket science.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love him

The Pete Rose worshippers that comprise a vocal majority of the Reds’ fanbase never properly appreciated his talents. He’s not perfect, but I hope he shines with good players around him and a manager who actually knows how to best use his skill set, i.e. not batting him 4 places behind a guy with an OBP of less than .200

I will miss him very much; I will be rooting for the D’backs for the remainder of the season.

Caveat: RF might be a bit brutal. Let’s say he won’t be gunning down anyone going to third.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No offense,

but given their off field personas, I’d probably take Dunn over Rose anyday.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 5:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no offense

I don’t think anyone can watch even highlights of Rose and not be excited by his play. But his iconic status as a “hustler” has made a fair percentage of the fan base lose their collective minds. A big, lumbering easy-going player like Dunn never had much of a chance with them.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some portions of the Diamondbacks fanbase is more than a bit burnt out on the idea of hustle, so Dunn may be just what we need…

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Anti-Byrnes!!

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is very true

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eric Byrnes and his "zaniness" worn thin already?

It wouldn’t matter if Byrnes hit below his weight and was injured half the season for diving into the wall going after a 500 foot gopher ball, as long as he ran out to his position, hustled to first base on walks, and “put the ball in play” he’d have a good shot at fan favorite.

see Freel, Ryan

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What if

“putting the ball in play” meant “popping up to the infield everytime”?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see Patterson, Corey

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah,

that’s all Dusty though, isn’t it?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess

“he’s fast, an elite defender, and can steal you a base ‘r two”

Note: one of these things is true, one of these is false, and one of these things is rendered irrelevant by a historically bad OBP.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrnes is exciting

but when his kind of over-the-top enthusiasm spread to the other players, we ended up with a lot of errors. Our youngsters could use a little more calm.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree.

His over-the-top enthusiasm has been out of the lineup for awhile, and we STILL get lots of errors. If anything, we NEED more energy in the clubhouse/dugout.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder

if there’s a way to add energy and retain a little self-control.

Here comes another half-baked theory: with Byrnes as our team leader the youngsters tried to make up for mistakes and deficits by making incredible (or ill-advised) plays. Players traded fundamentals for “hustle” and it led to all kinds of mistakes. We had Justin Upton ignoring the cutoff man and trying for ridiculous outfield assists, Mark Reynolds flinging balls into the stands when he should have held them, and middle infielders turuning fielders’ choice hits into errors because they were thinking about making double plays instead of catching the ball.

Of course, I have only my deep conviction that this is true. If you ask for evidence, I’ll have to hide behind the couch again. But it seems like the crazy mistakes have gone down since Byrnesy went out for the season. So I’m thinking that we don’t need any more of his brand of energy.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's a half-baked theory

give Byrnes so weed to calm him down.

(I keed, kind of)

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh that was punny

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really

I got to that part and it was all I could think.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I give this theory

an “O”, for “Overanalyzed”. ;-)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My mind

it wanders

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would Pete Rose

ever dive into first on an obvious groundout?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of COURSE Rose was a great player.

I’m just saying this when you take their off-the-field lives into account.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, I got it

I was just saying that I’m not offended by criticisms of Rose. I am of the Larkin generation and could care less about Pete.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not just a hustler

he’s a hustla.

Photobucket

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a player's player?

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A playa

if you will.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Represent

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this

a promotional use? Because otherwise, you might be in trouble….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm promotin'

straight up hustlin.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Press conference

By the D-backs at 2:45. Should answer a few questions, with any luck.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Almost time!!

I hope they tell us who’s going down, and what the plans are when JUp returns….

by snakecharmer on Aug 11, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where

Can i hear or see this conference??

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah!

C’mon, Jim! What kinda fan site IS this? You’re not going to be streaming it live??

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He works near Chase, right? He should be down there right now!

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

The tin cans and string wouldn’t stretch all the way from Chase to my ‘puter here. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wish I knew

Doesn’t seem to be on KTAR or the D-backs site.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 5:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darn

Yeah just turned on KTAR… talking about love.. gayyy! lol.

finally they are talking about Dunn

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great

Meanwhile, Gambo or Ash is telling us how he watched The Notebook this weekend, and cried about it. Great sports commentary, guys.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 5:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way,

I like the timing of getting him on an off-day

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Danke

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there a replay available?

by foulpole on Aug 11, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just

Go to dbacks.com and then click where it says watch press conference under the main picture.

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 8:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Melvin’s saying they’ll put Dunn in right field for now. Unsurprising.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It doesn’t help much when you can’t hear the questions being asked…

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apparently

Upton will be the RF, but this allows them to keep him down in Triple-Auntil he’s entirely ready to come back, rather than rushing his return.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 5:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

I know I just saw the MLB Homeruns stat, and it ha Dunn in a Dbacks hat..

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was it????

LAME! lol, yeah i couldn’t hear any of the questions, and i got to watch the end where Melvin was talking…

Ah! I don’t know why, but this trade excites me. lol

Did they say they were going to have another conference tomorrow with Dunn? Or did I hear wrong.

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great American Ball Park vs. Chase...

Which field is bigger, anyone know of the top of their head?

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not much difference

Park Factors overall are similar. Not sure what the LH/RH split is.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone (I forget whom) was pointing out

that in the NL West, Dunn’ll have to face mo’ betta pitching, as well as more pitcher-friendly parks.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better pitching??

I think Central division has better pitching than the West, or no? I think he is on the team with the best pitching in Webb and Haren, whereas with the Reds he was batting against Sabathia, Harden, Sheets, Zambrano…

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I think the West still has better pitching. He’ll still have to go up against Peavy, Evil Chris Young, Lincecum, and Billingsley, plus the Dodgers and the Padres play in notorious pitcher’s parks. It’s pretty much the same thing we talked about when Manny switched over here.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dodger Stadium hasn’t been a pitchers park for the last decade or so.

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by Andrew on Aug 11, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The park factor (#30 of 30 in the majors) will be surprised to find that out.

Besides, nearly everything is a pitcher’s park when you’re in the division with Coors and Chase.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sample size fluke, the park factor is 104 over the last three years.

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by Andrew on Aug 11, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Four and a half months is a small sample size?

Seriously, people, is this going to start covering a longer period of time, until two years from now when someone’s going to say “No way should so-and-so have won Rookie of the Year, it’s only one season, you can’t give it out based on such a small sample size”?

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For park factor, yes. Also, Baseball Reference has the Dodgers at 105 this year.

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by Andrew on Aug 11, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Penny, Peavy,

Evil Chris Young, Cook, Kershaw, etc.

I guess the NL West’s pitching certainly doesn’t look quite as daunting without Webby, Haren, and sometimes even RJ.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Billingsley, too.

Thx Devin.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I had to look it up, to be honest

I was thinking, “They’ve got to have someone intimidating in their starting rotation, right?”

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunn is a beast. The pitching staffs will not make a big difference. It’s not like he’s going from AAA to the bigs.

by foulpole on Aug 11, 2008 8:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This baffles me.

If I had to pick one player to epitomize every single thing that Foul Pole hates in a baseball player it would be Adam Dunn. Let’s see, extremely defensively challenged left fielder (and even worse at first), very low batting average, Ks a ton, hated by “old school baseball types”, and above all else, he’s pretty much the prototypical Moneyball slugger.

Maybe OPS is everything after all…

by dahlian on Aug 12, 2008 2:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not EVERYTHING that foulpole hates in a baseball player.

Dunn is 28, which is above foulpole’s necessary minimum age of 25 or 26. (I can’t quite tell)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 12, 2008 2:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OTOH,

maybe foulpole’s just hoping that Dunn can produce more 12 pitch strikeouts, which are OBVIOUSLY more helpful than four pitch walks, since they wear out the pitcher…...

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 12, 2008 10:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From ballparks.com

Great American: Dimensions: Left field foul pole: 328 feet; left field power alley: 379 feet; center field: 404 feet; right field power alley: 370 feet; right field foul pole: 325 feet; backstop: 55 feet; foul territory: small.

Chase Field: Dimensions: Left field: 330 ft., power alleys: 374 ft., center field: 407 ft., deepest left-center and right-center: 413 ft., right field: 334 ft.

This season, Chase is the highest park factor in the majors, while Great American is #18, according to ESPN.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be the theory, yes.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was gonna say

my guess is that GABP is slightly smaller than Chase, but the air here is thinner and drier.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus

a little added elevation as well.

by AZSEAfan on Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why

it’s thinner, and part of the reason why it’s drier.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Park factors

don’t really matter a whole lot with Dunn. At RR we’ve gotten used to referring to his hit tracker every few months to disprove some mouthbreather’s theory that he’s helped inordinately by Great American’s dimensions.

Bottom line: He rarely hits “cheap” home runs and his Home/Away splits for homers are just fine.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the record.

outfield size is far from the most important factor in determining whether a park is a good hitter’s park. Chase field’s outfield is 117,000 square feet, second largest in the majors. It’s the heat, elevation and batter’s eye that makes Chase a launching pad.

For more proof, the park with the largest outfield in baseball? Coors Field.

by dahlian on Aug 12, 2008 12:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunn hits the ball hard like Reynolds. They both have real ML power and hit the ball a ton. I really don’t think that the difference between the Bob and GABP park factors are going to make a difference.

by foulpole on Aug 11, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome

ESPN’s player page for Dunn already has him in a Diamondbacks hat. Probably someone just photoshopped the D over the C, but it’s nice to see.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

....

sure looks like a Cincy Reds hat, to me….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy crap....

it just changed between now (3:25PM) and then (3:22PM).

It MIGHT be photoshopped, (especially with the vibrancy of that red hat) but his shirt looks different now. (Of course, they might do that to make it look less photoshopped. Hmmm….)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Although

he’s still shown under the Reds’ roster.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, everyone

It’s been like 4 hours, relax, give it time… :)

by snakecharmer on Aug 11, 2008 6:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I'm actually a bit concerned....

The Dodgers obviously didn’t try to block this, but apparently one or both of our PTBNLs has to clear waivers….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right but they can deal with that later...

Sal B on AN says 8 teams were ahead of us: Astros, Dodgers, Braves, Pirates, Rockies, Giants, Padres, Nationals.

by snakecharmer on Aug 11, 2008 6:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm suprised the Astros didn't take him...

They have done every other outrageous thing out there this year. lol

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've never been clear on this

What happens if they don’t pass waivers. Does that nullify the deal or do they have agreed-upon alternatives?

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In that case, could they just wait until after the season? I’m not quite sure how waivers work either.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But if they don't have to be named for 6 months

That can’t exactly un-do a deal where a player’s played for 3 months already…

(I don’t know either.)

by snakecharmer on Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was

wondering the same thing.

Jim? shoe? Wes?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd imagine

It depends on the parameters of the deal. They could agree on a replacement, or just hold off on moviing the players until after the season, when waivers no longer apply.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know!

I went to the MLB Homerun stat, and of course Dunn has a pitcher since he’s the leader, and he was in a Dbacks hat. It was pretty cool to see.

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if

Owings will cough up #44 for Dunn?

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he’d have more room to complain if he wasn’t in Tucson.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was going to say that

He could get a better deal if he weren’t in Tucson… now, I’m not sure he has a choice.

by snakecharmer on Aug 11, 2008 6:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhh

Those numbers of Dunn with runners on base are a little frightening.. Lets hope a new team will change those numbers!

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Irrelevant.

Statistically speaking, at least, it’s all bullshit.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That came out of right field, but I like the move :) not sure how to shuffle the lineup when Upton comes back though :/

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Aug 11, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN NEWS

Just said, “In exchange for 2 minor league pitchers and 2 players to be named later..”

Maybe she made a mistake?

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would

certainly contradict every other story out there? Not to mention the fact that ESPN isn’t exactly known for their accuracy…

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I went back and it says 3 prospects, but she said 2 minor league pitchers and 2 players to be named later. I’m sure she misread or something.

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

The story on the Diamondbacks website says Buck and two players to be named later.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunn

with a .901 OPS this year?

I like that. I didn’t realize that he walks as much as he does. Granted, I presume that he’ll walk less with Reynolds behind him, but still.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabernomics

has an interesting article about “protection” or lack thereof. It may not matter who’s batting behind him.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then why

does Chris Burke draw so many walks in the 8 spot? :-)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've said this before, but oh well

Look over there!

::hides under the sofa::

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But it is an interesting study

If my economics classes had been 1/10th this interesting, I may actually have enjoyed them.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not

To compare Reynolds with Encarnacion, who looks to be the guy batting behind Dunn:

Encarnacion: .250/.338/..487
Reynolds: .246/.324/.491

Now, just for a lark, a look at their numbers with runners on:

Encarnacion: .206/.338/.338
Reynolds: .301/.361/.543

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UNCLUTCH!!!!111!!!

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Walking is part of Dunn's game

He’s never really had anyone at Cinci protecting him. He’s got a great eye. Over the last five years, no one has more walks than he does. His batting average is low, but his on base percentage is pretty consistently around .380 or so.

The joke around Red Reporter was that he always took “soft walks” when he should have been getting hits. It was a joke to us, but infuriating to those who didn’t realize that making an out is bad. At any rate, he will walk a ton, have no fear about that.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 11, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soft walk?

That sounds a lot like a Pribbie.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

His solo home runs were “rally killers,” thanks to a notion that was best exemplified by Tim McCarver, saying that innings that start with a base hit score more runs than an inning that starts with a home run.

Naturally Dunn hit too many solo home runs and not enough three run jacks. Nevermind that no one was getting on base ahead of him for him to drive in, or that Dusty (and Jerry Narron before him) would bat him way too low in the order.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 11, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

BoMel, in the press conference, said that Dunn will be batting cleanup today vs. the Rox, with CoJack batting third, and with Reynolds and Tracy behind him….

Wow…. I suddenly REALLY like this move by our FO even more. CoJack, Dunn, and Reynolds, all batting back to back to back? This season, that’s a combined 213 RBIs, 201 runs scored and 68 HRs. (Granted, CoJack isn’t much of a HR hitter—but Dunn and Reynolds together have 56!)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 12, 2008 10:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds a lot

like the traditional criticism of CoJack, with his eagle eye. Although he’s gotten more aggressive this year.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

Made me think of CoJack, too. Really, it can’t be bad to have more players that get on base, no matter how they do it.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Claimed off of waivers?

Why was Dunn put on waivers by the Reds? Can someone explain to me the thinking behind that move on the Reds part. I’m sure there has to be some logical explanation….

by dstorm on Aug 11, 2008 6:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They probably put him through waivers

to trade him to us?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Although,

this time of year, a lot of times, teams put some of their players through waivers anyway, even without some preexisting trade in mind, if for no other reason than to test the waters.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Putting him on waivers was a necessary part of the trade, since it was after the July 31st deadline.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't most players

end on waivers during this time of the year?

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

up

“end up on waivers” is what I meant to say.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Many do

just to gauge the market.

by AZSEAfan on Aug 11, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This must REALLY have come together quickly,

especially for the Dodgers to not even catch wind of it.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They trade like ninjas!

Everyone missed this one, not just the Dodgers. Instead of studying, I’ve been looking back over the usual news sources for most of the afternoon. There wasn’t a peep about this trade until just before it happened.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup.

I can’t find it in any rumors pages until today.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure seems like it

It must have. One of the Reds fans was on an ESPN board on the 8th talking about Dunn being traded… Did any of you have any idea about this? I was sure shocked when i turned on the TV. I happened to look up and saw.. “Adam Dunn for 3 prospects” and i was hopinh it was the dbacks, and had to rewind it and saw the “Diamondbacks acquired” part. It was sweet! lol

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Adam Dunn trade rumors

have been plentiful. His contract expires after this season, and the Reds weren’t sure they could keep them. But none of the trade speculation even hinted at the D-Backs as a trade partner.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is what a Reds fan said on Friday...
I’m a Reds fan here in Cincy, I just heard from a good source that the D-Backs claimed Dunn off waivers, and the Reds have until 7:00PM to match. Anyone heard this?

So maybe something was spilled out in Cincy, i don’t know. And it was funny because all the dbacks fans that day and even Saturday were saying how much of a joke that was, and he came back today and said “Told you.” lol

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC

Tracy for Dunn was being touted as possible before the trade deadline.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, straight up.

But that was quite awhile ago, I thought.

This is a better trade for us. :-D

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm curious

to see who gonna be named later, but the trade looks great right now.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess

trading Chad Tracy for 3 minor leaguers is the price the Reds paid for waiting until after the trade deadline.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

Link – Jon Heyman, July 29

The Rays have contacted Cincinnati about Adam Dunn, who still needs a new home. The Rays were hoping for a right-handed hitter, but it appears likely now that their favorite target Jason Bay will wind up in Boston, assuming the three-team blockbuster to send Manny Ramirez to Florida is completed. However, they could still use offense, and could wind up with Dunn. The Diamondbacks and another NL team were said to have made plays for Dunn, with the D’backs offering Chad Tracy. The Reds appear to have been unmoved by the other two plays and will now give Tampa a shot at the man who’s hit as many home runs as anyone over the past five years.

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got word of this

at work a few minutes ago, and all of the baseball fans were calling each other back and forth, “did you hear what happened…did you hear?”

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 6:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait -- enthusiasm?

For baseball? In Arizona? What??

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know,

not everything is true what you hear from the media or read on the internet.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad we don’t have the media telling us what to cheer for, like in LA.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone think

ESPN might try this kinda BS in Phoenix? Now that we’ve got Adam Dunn?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone think

ESPN could find Phoenix on a map?

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But if they did

I’d suggest a Joseph McCarthy theme. “Lose a Red, Cincinnati? ESPN wants to know if you are, or ever have been, a member of the Communist Party.”

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the Barry Goldwater state?

Yeah, that might play well. I like it. ;-)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm.....

What if the map had an index?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, once they realized it didn’t start with an F, they’d eventually track it down.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt it

he played for the Reds, and now plays for the Diamondbacks. He might as well have played in Estonia as far as ESPN cares.

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by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, this is like

he used to play for Estonia, but he just got traded to….. Nigeria. Oooooh!!

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do love some of the comments on that article, though

Particularly “I guess we don’t need gimmicky guerilla ad campaigns to get interested in our team.” Also, the guy complaining about Manny leaving, saying maybe Manny would be back “when we’ve got rid of our loser gm theo”. Yeah, ‘cause their GM has been nothing but terrible for Boston.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunno about you, but I blame Theo Epstein

for the Red Sux not winning any World Series’ from 1917 until 2004….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Enjoy Adam Dunn

Cincinnati fans never really appreciated him. Any chance the Reds could have thrown Dusty Baker in to the trade?

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by justin007000 on Aug 11, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm, he couldn’t be worse than Melvin, right?

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know

we DO have some young pitchers.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think Baker is worse than Melvin’s policy of leaving pitchers out there when they’re obviously got nothing, just to show them that the team has confidence in them?

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is largely anecdotal

but I remember Baker grinding young pitchers into paste when I lived near San Francisco. BoMel’s shennanigans are merely neglectful. A lot of Baker’s decisions were outright destructive.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baker is

completely worse, it’s not even a question.

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by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DID

have some young pitchers. we seem hell bent on getting that farm bare

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

I bet we end up with a bumper crop of pitchers after the next draft. Hopefully they’ll fill in some of the gaps.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess you'd think that

if you’ve never seen a baseball game before.

(I keed, but seriously, Dusty Baker is awful)

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by soco on Aug 11, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve only paid the faintest attention to Dusty since he left the NL West, really.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two guys you might have heard of:

Mark Prior and Kerry Wood?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah

I concede the point.

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by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget

Shawn Estes.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kyle Farnsworth

was very highly regarded until Dusty was done with him, too.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow.

He could have his own All-Star team.

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by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you field an All-Star team

made of one-armed pitchers?

Well, in Kerry Wood’s case, I guess, one and a half arms.

Don’t forget Jason Schmidt.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

The gripes against Dusty aren’t much different than the gripes against BoMel—bunting, preference for veterans, pitcher management, etc.

At least BoMel’s pitch management only costs games. Dusty’s costs pitchers their arms.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

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by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, yes he could

Don’t even think about it. :P

by snakecharmer on Aug 11, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And thanks for stopping by. :-)

We’ll give Dunn a good home—and hopefully some postseason games, too. Would be awesome if we somehow resigned him….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With luck, it'll get him

Off the list of most games played without a post-season appearance. He’s currently #12 among active players, with 1,087. Leading the list is an ex-Diamondback… Damion Easley, at 1,679. Skins, you’ll be pleased to hear third place, on 1,408 goes to Randy Winn. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Winn's been earning

some brownie points with us though with his play over the weekend against that team in blue in LA

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 11, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I require

more penitence than that.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sweeeeet.....

Evil must not go unpunished!!

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wanna see something awesome?

Go here.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SFW,

don’t worry.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I give you...

....the quote of the day:

The Diamondbacks management is just so much better than the Dodgers.

I’m not sure what to make of this.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beat me too it!

i got too distracted reading the rest though …

by Wactivist on Aug 11, 2008 7:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't think

Josh Byrnes is a better GM than Ned Colletti? He’s got the lowest payroll in the division….

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

our management is DEF better

than the dodgers …. there is no question in my mind about that

by Wactivist on Aug 11, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shh...

they’ll hear you!

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh noes!

Then they might try to buy Josh Byrnes!!

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or they might

get cocky. We need them to have a low self-esteem.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do like

the emphasis on building with young players much more than building via free-agents. The Dan Haren trade was also very impressive. Even though I’m not an As fan, I loved the way is was a win for both teams. I think that kind of deal-making ability makes it easier to negotiate with other teams in the future. There have been a few disappointing moves, but I’d rate our management pretty high.

I know next to nothing about the Dodgers’ front office, but they were being hailed as “Brilliant!”(TM) just a week ago. Guess that’s the end of the salad days.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, a lot of writers

claimed that the Dodgers basically got Manny “for nothing”. By that logic, the Dbacks just got Adam Dunn for even less nothing. (Except that we’ll be paying part of Dunn’s salary) At least in LaRoche, the Doggers gave up some Major League ready material.

Dunn hits more homers and probably walks more, but Manny is probably the better hitter overall. But unless one of the PTBNLs is Jarrod Parker, which it isn’t, then I REALLY like this trade even better than I hate the Dodgers trade.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really feel

like joining their site, but a lot of Reynolds’ mistakes seemed to be linked to rushing throws. Perhaps him being at 2nd might help fix that problem with a shorter distance to throw to. Will anyone in that spot be Hudson? No, but they’re making it out like we’re putting a combination of the Washington Generals and the Belgium Army out there for defense.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only concern with him at 2nd base

Would be turning double plays, and getting to the bag. Hudson and Drew did that so well.

by ZonaBacks10 on Aug 11, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reynolds is fast enough on his feet.

WTH? Let’s go ahead and try it.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This from the team

that has Angel Berroa playing shortstop.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize that the Dodger defense is atrocious and I constantly complain about it. I feel like I can mock a Reynolds and second base idea.

Co-Author Of The Fourth Most Popular NL West Based Blog On SBN

by Andrew on Aug 11, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course.

This is the spirit of rivalry.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'd be an adventure

but I think he’d do OK. It’s been a point of good-natured contention here, but playing at second base may help mask his areas of weakness. He’ll get a little more time to see the ball before it gets to him and he’ll be a lot closer to first base. Hopefully this will mean fewer bobbles and fewer errant throws into the stands.

But that’s just wild conjecture. He might not even land at second base. But it sure is fun to speculate.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just looked this up to post at True Blue LA,

but…. interesting numbers:

Mark Reynolds, playing 2B in the minors:

.975 F% (highest of any position), 4.83 range factor (also highest)

In comparison, Orlando Hudson playing 2B for us this year:

.982 F%, 4.61 range factor

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go ahead and join.

There’s no waiting period, unlike SOME SBN sites….

Besides, with you and I both registered, something like 10% of their total membership would be Dbacks fans. ;-)

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm registered, too

One or two more people and we might have a majority… =)

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh dear....

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I already post there

on occasion

Well, I only have 5 or 6 of them, but I already am a member.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 11, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if

we could lead a coup and overthrow the leadership, making it a satellite Dbacks blog?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like too much work

Let’s just arm them and send them off to war against GLB.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah.

GLB outnumbers them by like a factor of 10. I’d rather turn McCC against GLB—much more even numbers.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, but there’s no coordination at GLB. I think a good guerrilla war would be just what the situation calls for.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 8:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nonsense.

This is conventional warfare all the way. Guerrilla warfare isn’t ALWAYS successful, you know. Just ask the Filipino Insurrectos.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, don’t assume that I’m looking for a victory here. Just something nice and time-consuming to tie up both parties and keep them away from us.

Yeah, I’m taking the worst parts of US foreign policy history and applying it to interblog warfare.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, you're saying that

a stalemate is actually a victory for the guerrillas?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

But it’s a stalemate for the people who treat the guerrillas as pawns.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 9:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't have anything to say to them

nothing against them, but I know how annoying it is to have people that only talk about their team, and I don’t think I’m confident enough to talk about the Dodgers in any intelligent fashion.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really don’t care as long as you’re informative and/or entertaining.

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by Andrew on Aug 11, 2008 8:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One other thought

This nails door the shut on any possibility of us acquiring ‘Roidman. Hooray!

by Jim McLennan on Aug 11, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awwww

I actually like Barry Bonds.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s an awkward conversation piece.

Am I avoiding the subject, or am I doing philosophy?

by kishi on Aug 11, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

a little too much emphasis on the “like” (I just discovered the bold and italics buttons). But I watched him for about 5 years and he was an amazing player. I can’t speak to the PED accusations, but his reputation for jackassery was hugely exaggerated. On the whole, he was an incredible asset for the Giants and I would have enjoyed seeing him play in Arizona.

I still have hopes that he ends up somewhere, but they’re fading pretty fast.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Aug 11, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We had a long discussion about it

back when the rumors were stronger, and I agree that I wouldn’t mind having him around especially since he wants to pay for nothing.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Barry Bonds? The home run KING? For the league minimum, to be donated to children??

Manny Ramirez and the Dodgers: Filling the dubious shoes left open by Barry Bonds and the Giants.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'd go for Bonds

but not Rose?

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When did I say

I wouldn’t want Rose playing for my team? I didn’t.

Besides, when Bonds cheated, (assuming he did) it was to get MORE competitive. Gambling creates the risk that you might intentionally allow your team to be less competitive.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Backtrackin'

besides, his teams were less competitive because he wasn’t a good manager.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me help you?

I actually like Barry Bonds in the Dbacks’ lineup.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair

if we’re going to acquire a former Sun Devil, I’d rather it be Ian Kinsler.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dustin Pedroia?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that either is available

but I imagine Kinsler would be more likely between the two.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pedroia

would help us more, since he can play 2nd.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think

Reynolds would better at 2nd?

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by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

the point was that Kinsler can’t play it well, which is a bit of crap.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No.

Brainfart.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh

so you didn’t imply anything? Well, my point still stands. Sort of.

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by soco on Aug 11, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I concede the point.

Although, I’m not entirely sure what I’m conceding.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Broken link,

by the way.

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geez

Happy?

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Aug 11, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

Then, I guess you should be pretty happy about us nailing door the shut?

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by DbacksSkins on Aug 11, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This nails door the shut on any possibility of us acquiring ‘Roidman. Hooray!

Jack Cust?

by foulpole on Aug 11, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ouch

low blow

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 9:59 PM EDT