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Manny Ramirez traded to Dodgers

The Boston Red Sox on Thursday afternoon traded Manny Ramirez to the Los Angeles Dodgers, ending the slugger's eight-year run in Boston with a last-minute, three-way deal to beat baseball's non-waivers trade deadline.

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Boston gets Jason Bay, Dodgers get Manny Ramirez, and the Pirates get… Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris? Seriously? Is it just my bias, or did the Pirates get mugged in this deal? Who holds what kind of blackmail material on the Pirates front office?

Well, our pitching is going to have to step up. Manny was only 2 for 11 against us this season…

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 4:54 PM EDT   0 recs

no too worried about Manny

just more money they have to spend for someone who’s on the back side of his career

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sadly not

Boston are paying the remaining $7 million :/

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Jul 31, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A guy on the back side of his career

Has better numbers than any of the dbacks

by DisplacedAZfan on Jul 31, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

shhhh!

trying to be positive here

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, DUH!

From a Keith Law article:

It’s a lineup full of hitters who hit fastballs and bad off-speed stuff, but most of them will chase stuff out of the zone. The Diamondbacks’ dilemma is that - they have a developing young player at almost every position on the field, so trying to upgrade via acquisition would rob a potential star or above-average player of critical development time, setting the team back for 2009 and 2010.

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Aug 3, 2008 2:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pirates also getting Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen from the Sox. So the Sox traded three players for Jason Bay.

I want to be in Haren's harem.

by luckycc on Jul 31, 2008 4:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, I noticed that when I went back and re-read the article.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's put it this way

there’s a decent chance that Andy Laroche turns into the Dodger’s Q.

by dahlian on Jul 31, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

and why I just picked him up in the ‘Pit league

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Jul 31, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

-1

You suck. :P

by snakecharmer on Jul 31, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pirates also get Craig Hansen and another from BOS

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 4:57 PM EDT   0 recs

On the bright side...

Just think what we’ll be able to do with Manny trudging after those hits into the corner.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 5:18 PM EDT   0 recs

How so?

Now they have 5 outfielders and no DH or 1B position to slide one of them to. They have an overpriced, pain in the ass old man that is the worst OF defender in baseball and is getting worse with the bat. Congratulations LA, you may have got yourself one extra win…max. Enjoy!

by AZSEAfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

5th outfielder? More like 4th

Andruw Jones hardly counts! =)

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well....

they only have to be better than us to make the postseason—and they ARE just one win behind us.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How much will Manny help?

I keep trying to tell myself that this isn’t going to be as big a move as it probably is. “It won’t help them that much,” I tell myself. “How much can one bat help?” Damn. I really hope not that much. Damn.

Where have you gone Mike Fetters?

by NewJackCity on Jul 31, 2008 5:23 PM EDT   0 recs

We'll see.

On the plus side (for the D-Backs): The Dodgers were already one of the least motivated teams in baseball. Manny isn’t gonna change that.

On the minus side: I don’t want to see Manny batting after Loney. He’s been trouble enough already.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 31, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Put into context

Yes it improves their offence slightly but it isn’t as if they weren’t getting production from their outfield as it was, hopefully this won’t improve them that much

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Jul 31, 2008 5:28 PM EDT   0 recs

The only team this deal makes sense for is the Pirates

The Red Sox trade Hansen, Moss, AND Ramirez for Bay?!?

The Dodgers add a 5th outfielder and $7M for LaRoche and Morris?!

The only way this deal makes sense for the Dodgers is if there’s a Kemp/Ethier/Pierre for a SS trade that hasn’t been reported yet. The Red Sox… I just don’t get it.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 31, 2008 5:30 PM EDT   0 recs

“Manny being Manny” translated to “being an ass and sitting out games against pitchers he didn’t want to face” this season. He had pretty much made it clear that he didn’t want to play for the Red Sox and wasn’t giving his full effort. Bay is a good replacement, not a pain-in-the-ass in the clubhouse, and now they’ve got $13 million more they can throw at Sabathia in the off-season.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Manny becomes a regular, Andruw can continue to eat at the buffet before games, but not play, This is a good deal for dodgers considering they only gave up laRoche who has started to fall out of favor with organization and morris is a solid pitcher but coming off TJ. If this is a 2 month rental, dodgers get away with 2 1st rounders and its over

by AZWILDCATS on Jul 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dodgers

only get the picks if they offer arbitration.

by AZSEAfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's already agreed to turn down arbitration

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But at this stage in his career

is Manny really a Type A free agent?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So he will be playing tommorow, right?

I mean, logically he could be playing anytime between tonight (he’s already in town) or four days from now (he could get lost…it IS Manny.)

You can't spell Arezone Diemondbecks without about four E's.

by "BS,L"yon on Jul 31, 2008 5:43 PM EDT   0 recs

This would have made a lot more sense for the Dodgers...

Before the Jones/Pierre signings. The deal isn’t that bad for ‘Bums since they didn’t have to include Kemp/Etheir/Loney… but it is rather silly that they’ll have to sit their last two big FA signings on the bench to put out the best lineup. However, Manny’s awful defense does make this not that big of a gain for the Dodgers.

The Pirates made out like bandits though.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 5:46 PM EDT   0 recs

Good point

If the Dodgers go with Manny, Kemp, and Ethier then they have a good thing going. Sadly, that org. is too hooked on its veterans to permanently sit Pierre and Jones.

by AZSEAfan on Jul 31, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

they can't handle the black eye

of $100+ million sitting on the bench

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention their defense...

Takes an even bigger hit if they’re playing Pierre and Jones over Either or Kemp.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 5:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't be surprised to see Jones go to the DL

with some random injury

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Jul 31, 2008 5:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Indigestion?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 31, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Carrying deer meat up the stairs?

You can't spell Arezone Diemondbecks without about four E's.

by "BS,L"yon on Jul 31, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's from about 20 min

north of me

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 6:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I get excited...

...about players where I am from/have lived too. My gf gets annoyed with me every time one of our four Kentucky guys are playing since I quiz her on where they are from.

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Clint Barmes?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No. AJ.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes

Vincennes native

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also on the trade front

The Nats now have an all DBacks prospects middle infield with the acquisition of Alberto Gonzalez

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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Alberto Gonzalez?

Why does that name ring a bell?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He was part of the trade to the Yankees for Randy Johnson.

He was also Attorney General. Unless those are two different guys with the same name, but what are the odds of that?

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 6:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Except that the former AG spells his last name Gonzales.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Details.

Google doesn’t care about the difference.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Google is your god?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No

But when you search for Alberto Gonzalez, the first four results at Alberto Gonzales.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha

Someone just called in to KTAR and said the Diamondbacks getting Tony Clark was a better move than the Dodgers getting Manny Ramirez. One of the hosts replied, “Are you high?”

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 6:17 PM EDT   0 recs

From a locker room...

....POV the caller was right. Not so sure about the bat :)

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 6:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The hosts are busy

leading the dodger cirlce jerk right now to matter anyways…

Season’s over right now according to them….

I’d give my left nut for sports guys in this town with an ounce of common sense…..

There are 8 other people on a baseball team gambo….

Will Hope Prevail?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 31, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dave Burns

is a beacon of hope for this market. If only the post game show was more than twenty minutes long.

by dahlian on Jul 31, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Looks like a good signing for the Dodgers

from where I’m standing…

They get one of the best hitters in baseball, and he’ll be motivated to stick it to the Sox. They get to sit Pierre and Jones permanently. And they gave up a guy who hardly played.

Now granted, Laroche could turn out to be a keeper, but there are no guarantees there. Our work just got a lot harder.

by paqs on Jul 31, 2008 6:37 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm not so sure...

...our work got a lot harder. It might have gotten a “bit” harder, though. Let’s wait to see how many singles turn into doubles and doubles turn into triples. I know we are talking baseball, but I’ll use the baseball version of a football analogy: the best offense is bad defense.

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You REALLY think Manny wants to

“stick it” to the Sox? I don’t really think he gives a crap, and he’s been basically asking to be traded for years now.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and it's hard...

...to “stick it to the Sox” when you’re playing in the Sr. Circuit. Unless of course we are looking at a Dodgers-Sawx WS.

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just showing them he’s worth the money etc.

And even if it has nothing to do with the Sox, he’ll be playing for a new contract.

by paqs on Jul 31, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, given that the Red Sox are paying for him to play for the Dodgers…

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

By that logic...

...Griff is really going to show the Reds?

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 6:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He is....

....36 and has repeatedly said he doesn’t want to play in Boston anymore. Every team needs to move on at some point. Case in point: Favre in Green Bay. The team doesn’t revolve around Manny’s sideshow and it will be much better for the Sawx in 5 years when Bay is rake-ing for them than having to deal with this clown.

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think so

He seemed pretty angry … but we can only let it play out.

As for the defense, I’m sure a 400 point difference in OPS will make up for his defense.

by paqs on Jul 31, 2008 6:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One thing to point out

As mentioned, Manny had a habit of dodging all the best pitchers, something he’ll be much harder pushed to do in the NL West and with the Dodgers. According to Baseball Prospectus, he was ranked 143 of 181 among all hitters with 100+ PA’s, in quality of pitcher faced, with a line of .247/.327/.389.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2008 6:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Manny is a big puss.

He sucks.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So you're saying

there’s not much chance we’ll see him tonight?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One more thing to point out

This trade all but ensures that the Dodgers will go into next season with Blake Dewitt as their third baseman.

Oh happy day.

by dahlian on Jul 31, 2008 7:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes.

This trade does make Dodgers worse next year. What’s the market for third basemen look like in the offseason?

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A quick Google found me this:

Hank Blalock * TEX
Joe Crede CWS
Morgan Ensberg NYY
Chipper Jones * ATL
Corey Koskie MIL
Greg Norton TB

  • indicates they have a 2009 option

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

by kishi on Jul 31, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Horrible

Hank Blalock * TEX
Joe Crede CWS
Morgan Ensberg NYY
Chipper Jones * ATL
Corey Koskie MIL
Greg Norton TB

Jones and Blalock both have options. We can assume that Jones isn’t going anywhere, but Coskie’s option is for $6M and probably won’t be picked up.

by dahlian on Jul 31, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That IS a pretty bad market

I could see the Dodgers going after Crede. Still, Nothing to get too excited about.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a hunch...

...but I feel like I can see Ensberg in a LAD jersey pretty easily.

by Red Reign on Jul 31, 2008 7:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see that too

Wouldn’t be too much of stretch there.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's 2006 Silver Slugger award winner Joe Crede

to you.

That may be worse than Palmeiro winning a Gold Glove as a DH.

by dahlian on Jul 31, 2008 7:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was going to say I liked Crede

But now that i’ve looked at his career stats, and the fact that he’s only put up a league average OPS+ three times in his career, I’ve changed my mind. He’s still probably the best offensively in third base market.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 9:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I take back my last statement

Corey Koskie has actually put up an OPS+ of at least 110 in 7 of the 9 seasons he’s played.

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.

by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a friend

who is an avid Dodgers fan, and he’s actually pretty upset about the trade—he’s worried that Manny has nothing left, and that there’s no way he can cover that massive left field in Dodger Stadium. That’s coming from a Dodger fan. I don’t think we need to worry too much.

I'll make it.

by Shums on Jul 31, 2008 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Call me a fool, but I really don’t think Manny is going to help them too much. That stat posted above about Manny facing quality pitching is pretty revealing. He won’t be able to duck out of the lineup against tough pitchers now.

But, the real red flag to me is that I can’t see this overpriced veteran loving team actually sitting Jones/Pierre to play Kemp/Ethier. Now, we can all see that Kemp/Ethier would be the way to go. But, I just can’t see the Dodgers actually doing that. And, as previously mentioned and proven by Manny on Friday, the Dodgers are going to give up some runs on balls misplayed to left field now.

Plus, how awful would it be to pitch around Manny if you really had to? Who is going to hit after him who wouldn’t be an easier out than Manny? The Giants had Barry Bonds for years and it didn’t make them a playoff team every year.

In any case, I’ll take Webb and Haren over Manny any day. And he didn’t do too much damage against Randy either. We won Friday’s game without Webb or Haren and starting Clark and Burke, for crying out loud. (Thank you Tony Clark!)

by SongBird on Aug 2, 2008 5:21 AM EDT   0 recs

As I wasn't able to watch,

what did Manny do to misplay a ball in LF?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Aug 2, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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