Gameday Thread, #86: 8/3 vs. Brewers
by Jim McLennan on Jul 3, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
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Running a little late with the thread here: I actually remembered it was a day game, but had to go in for my monthly chat with the boss. Survived that, so tossing this up quickly in my morning break. We need a win here, after the total disaster which was last night - Webb takes the mound, and after a couple of shaky outings, returned to normal form last time, with a quality start. However, Parra has an impressive record, and restricted us to one run over seven innings when we faced him in Milwaukee.
The offense has shown some signs of life lately, and has hit .302 in the past five games. However, last night proved that this isn't enough, by and of itself, to guarantee victory - not when defense, base-running and managerial incompetence all weigh down the other side of the scales. It's becoming abundantly clear that the team needs a short, sharp shake-up, and Melvin's team meeting wasn't it. Not much more I can add. Let's get the victory and split the series.
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I'm pissed
And every member of the team should be too. Last night’s game was inexcuseable. I don’t have much else to say.
line ups
Brewers
2B Rickie Weeks
SS J.J. Hardy
RF Corey Hart
1B Prince Fielder
3B Russell Branyan
LF Gabe Kapler
CF Mike Cameron
C Jason Kendall
LHP Manny Parra
D-Backs
SS Stephen Drew
RF Justin Upton
2B Orlando Hudson
1B Conor Jackson
3B Mark Reynolds
CF Chris Young
C Robby Hammock
LF Chris Burke
RHP Brandon Webb
Beat me to it
Good to see Reynolds back at third. Not so happy to see Burke in left, but I suppose we have very limited options there. Hammock catching: I guess Randy will be pleased. :-)
Dodgers up 5-2 over Houston
Looks like we will need to win, or else the lead will be half-a-game by dinnertime. :-(
Scoreless first for Webb
Works round a ground-rule double by Hardy, which works for me, since he’s my fantasy SS.
Sadly
Can’t use it here. It requires I install Flash, and I don’t have admin privileges on this computer. :-( And at home, I don’t have enough resources to run the full version – it’s a severe hog of memory. So what I’ve seen looks very cool, but incredibly jerky.
you at work? they use what, Linux?
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, guys
I’m tired of the first two guys getting quick outs, and then the offense showing up. How about we start getting more hits with no outs?
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Actually
We hit .257 with no outs, .245 with one out and .241 with two outs. But I know what you mean.
Uh-oh
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
1-0
Stupid passed ball.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
I hate American football.
It combines two of the worst aspects of american life: Committee meetings and Violence.
And it’s boring as hell, and there’s no real team I can follow with out feeling like a bandwagon fan.
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 3, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So do I
But at the moment, it might be preferable to baseball. That I suggested this, gives you some idea of how pessimistic I feel.
Ooh, lucky double play
Nice heads up by Reynolds to get that ball to second after the run-down.
Ugly inning, but could have been a lot worse.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
"You helped? You either discover a star or you don't!"
That ad entertains me.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Schulte said they showed Webb in the dugout and he is really perspiring. The roof must be closed. It seems every time they show Webb pitching lately his head is just drenched. Sometimes I wonder about his fitness.
It is the monsoon season.
The humidity in Arizona this time of year can be quite high. Roof closed or not, that’s going to make you sweat.
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 3, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What was with that play?
CY, why did it take you about seven seconds before you even came into the frame there? Lousy play like that, if you ran it out, you might have made it before he got control of the ball. It’s a longshot, but, seriously, show some freaking hustle.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Good news!
They’re giving you defensive and pitching struggles to distract you from the offense!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Ack
Home to Hardy. Helps my fantasy team, hurts my real one.
On the whole, I’d rather it was the other way around. :-(
Meanwhile...
Zephon’s fantasy team AND real life time continue to suck.
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 3, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
real life team*
I really need to proof read more frequently
by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 3, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It hurts my fantasy and real one...
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why hasn't JB..
Called up a position player with the recent spat of DL activity?
I’m rather surprised we haven’t seen D’antona, Ryal, hell even Parra called up. Pitching isn’t our biggest problem right now. Our offense and defense are our biggest concern.
Two out walk to Hudson
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Left there
blah. Seriously, guys.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
It's a start
Now can we get anything done with it? I hope so.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Good to hear
that Mark grace has already started to blame the lack of runs this game on the non-existent running game.
what about Grace taking BoMel's job?
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hit for CY
Two on, no outs. You have to get these runs in, guys.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
With Hammock-Burke coming up
this may be the only time I’d ever approve of bunting in the fourth inning.
GIDP
It may be accepted in polite society, but I use it with all the vehemence that an F-bomb deserves.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
for god, get rid of Burke... call someone else from AAA...
the guy has something like 18 hits on 110 AB… I can hit better…
SHIFT Happens!!1
Apparently on Wisconsin radio
Sutton alluded to a future trade between these two teams. The thing is, that it’s really hard to upgrade a lineup full of young, good-but-not-great, hitters with upside.
The one move that I think has the best chance of actually helping this team short-term and long term is to pick up a player like Bill Hall. His versatility would allow us to jettison Burke and he would be a nice right handed bat to fill in the LF-1B platoon.
With 10 home runs.
and an additional 42 points of OPS+ over Chris Burke. Hall is also pounding lefties to the tune of .333/.395/.569 which is our biggest need right now.
What would we have to give up
To get those extra 42 points of OPS over Burke? If it’s not…well, Burke, then it’s very hard to see the appeal. Also, that split vs. LHP is based on a .408 BABIP, so he’s basically hitting them like Upton in April. We all know how that worked out…
For his career he's hitting .278/.355/.494 against LHP
so it’s not as if there isn’t precedent. And it’s 42 points of OPS+.
The reason I suggest Hall is that he’s not going to require a whole lot to give up. He’s a platoon utility guy that’s on the outs with team management having already requested a trade this season. He’s also 28 so it’s not as if the Brewers are looking to hold on to him for the potential upside.
This team is really hard to upgrade and I think it would be foolish to try to and acquire somebody to replace one of the kids. The best thing that JB can do, in my opinion, is to upgrade the complementary parts and hope that one of the kids breaks out to that next level.
That's an awesome glove
And a nice lead-off hit from Webb.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Grace: "We need some baserunners."
We had two to lead-off last inning! We had plenty last night. We need to do something with those baserunners!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Hudson Ks
Two down…
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
And nothing
Good thing we got those baserunners, huh?
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
I am really looking forward to tomorrow’s game. Not. Oh yeah, at least Haren is pitching so he’ll probably give shut them out for 7 innings, turn it over to the bullpen and we’ll lose 1-0.
The Padres did just get swept by the Mariners, so we should have a chance against them.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Seriously?
The lackluster Mariners swept them? That is SO cool!
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Stolen base
Come back soon, Snyder…
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Come on
That was obviously a foul.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Hope forever lurks in the heart of the sports fan
Because, let’s be honest- blind, delusional optimism is sometimes the only way to survive the season.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
I say we start turning the negatives into positives
Like say, “Look! We only left 6 on base today, that’s better than 10!”
Another stolen base
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
BoMel has no Heart!
I believe he had Snyder’s surgery instead.
That was nearly ugly
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
somehow I felt like he still would make it...
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
More and more, I’m convinced it’ll be Haren.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
As our representative, I mean
Not necessarily as starter.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
with 12 Wins
I think he’ll make it anyway
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton over-runs the fly ball
And then almost throws the runner out at second.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Cruz works around the double
Glad to see him got out of trouble.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Just checking in for the 1st time today
What in the world is wrong with Webb? Where would we be if we didn’t have Haren for the last month or so? Why is Burke in LF?
Oops! I'm sorry for picking on Burke
He just raised his BA to .173
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't pitched as bad as the numbers show...
Hardy was the only hitter who really owned him… HR and 2 2B
and Cameron’s 2-run HR was actually a foul ball that the umps called HR…
u take those 2 HR and it’s a quality start =[
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That does make me feel a little better.
A foul called a HR huh?
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you walk Augie Ojeda?
The guy has something like a 500 OPS from the right side. . . .
Is there any way to get Augie more AB's?
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
can Reynolds play LF?
I dunno, but my impression is that everytime Augie is on the game something good happens to us…
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, sure
But we can’t get a foul called fair.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Deja vu
Runners on first and second, no outs, and we just can’t score any runs.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Justin Upton is going to be a star. . .
but man is he scuffling right now
That was a good play.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Aw, Craig Counsell
I like that guy.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
1-2-3 inning for Connor Robertson
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Are you sure?
I think that might be Seth Rogen pitching.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
+1
Two days later, Eric Byrnes missed three games for excessive crying, and started listening to emo. At the same time, Emily changed her name to emilylovesthedbacksexceptthatloserericbyrnes.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 3, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
when I see Gagne I remember 2 moments
1 – that day he blew a save against us on that 900 consecutives Saves streak…
2 – a 9 inning, 101 mph pitch, that he threw to Bonds at AT&T… and Bonds hit it a mile… the ball travelled like 450ft in 2 seconds…
SHIFT Happens!!1
On the bright side
We’ve pretty much thwarted Prince Fielder throughout the series, and I at least can get some small joy from that.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Okay!
Who’s up for a ninth inning rally? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
I'll take a single run scored...
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
With Hammock and Burke up this inning
I would say the odds are about a million to one
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Very interesting
going back this morning and rereading the GDT. I was at this game and was so disgusted with our play up to our half the of 9th…. The rest shall we say is the stuff of legends.
"It's like deja vu all over again."
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 4, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Hammock reaches to lead-off
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
And a walk to Burke
First and second with no outs for about the 23rd time this game.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Bases loaded, no outs...
Come on, guys!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Ginger!
Three RBI double!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Eh
They talked to one of the fans down there who said it did hit the foul pole. So, I guess we can’t complain too much about it.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Come on, Upton
Keep it going!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
That's a hit!
First and third, no outs, winning run at the plate.
Come on!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Yes.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
VERY :-)!
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 3, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on, come on!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
O-Dawg with the double
Winning run in scoring position, no outs.
Go go go go go go!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
YES!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Wow
I think that’s about the best win we’ve had in quite some time.
Just wow. Wow. Wow.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
+Everything
EVER.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
After 12 minutes of reflection
Second best game ever.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
no game can beat that 2001 one ^^
SHIFT Happens!!1
by Muu on Jul 3, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Precisely.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
But it is the Game of the Year
How can you beat it?
Do not think that what is hard for you to master is humanly impossible; but if a thing is humanly possible, consider it to be within your reach.
I have to admit
I gave up half way through while getting my nails done. I was like in tears with frustration. And then soco calls me and practically screams, “TURN ON THE GAME!”
OHG-D!
Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
I almost left after the 8th.
I am so glad I stayed
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We are recording the replay
So we can watch it again and hold our breath. ;)
Isn't it enough to know I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Take the bet
There’s no way they can pull that off twice, right? =)
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
I just watched it on MLB GameDay
unbeleivable
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And it was only a couple innings earlier
when the announcers commented about how lifeless this team looked and how in need of an identity it was.
I guess it’s winning that equals character.
as they say, thats why this game have 9 innings...
does it matches that comeback against the Pirates last year as our biggest one?
SHIFT Happens!!1
The Pirates game
We were 7-1 down, but that was after four innings. So we came back more, but over a lot more innings. We also came back from six down May 2, 2006, against the Dodgers and Sept. 15, 1998, against the Giants.
They all know they get to coach at least one more game
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 3, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, hey!
Congrats to Leo Rosales on his first major league win.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
Indeed.....
How is that Scott Hairston fellow doing these days…..?
::After checking::
Wow…. a .707 OPS…... and somehow, 9 HRs, but only 20 RBIs….. them’s CY-type HR/RBI numbers.
Mark Reynolds: Turning me gay since '07
Everyone have a good night! Go Dbacks!
I am glad I was able to be here with you guys for the comeback!
Crap, I gave up on the game in order to actually finish up at work even though everyone else left at 2:30 and here I am still here at 4 p.m. Couldn’t believe the voicemail my sister left me that they won!!!!!!!!!!!! I figure it was an old voicemail from May or something at first until I actually checked GameDay. Wow!!!!!!!!
I'm ashamed...
of myself for having missed out on the ninth. I was so disgusted watching Webb and the rest of the team seemingly give this game away through the first few inning that I simply tacked it down as yet another frustrating loss.
I though was wrong, very wrong. The DBacks can sure be maddening to follow. One second they fail at life, while the next it looks like they are destined for glory.
Will the real DBacks please stand up?
A great victory for a team in dire need of hope. God willing they’ll screw their heads on right and start playing like we all know they can.
"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War
Well...
Maybe you leaving was just what they needed. I’m not saying you’re a bad luck charm, just heavily implying it… =)
Kidding, of course. Maddening absolutely the word to describe them, I’ll agree.
"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"
I listened to the end on the radio at work
and during the 9th my boss and I stood over the radio, transfixed. Great moment.
By all means hit at a glacial pace. You know how that thrills me.
OMFGBBQ!!
I’m at work, and the last update I had was 5-0 Brewers in the ninth…my buddy (stinking Dodgers fan) told me the D’Backs won – – naturally, I didn’t believe him, and I am glad to be wrong!!
Could this be the victory that sets us in motion?? I sure hope so!
This is the rare game
that reminds you of the majesty of sport; of believing and being rewarded for that blind belief, and being awed by the extraordinary effort sport can take. Hopefully this inspired the team as much as it inspired me.
By all means hit at a glacial pace. You know how that thrills me.
by soco on Jul 3, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
OPEN QUESTION FOR DIAMONDBACKS FANS
Hey, I’m a big Red Sox fan who writes a blog that covers all of baseball.
I asked a question to D-Backs fans and would love to get some feed back from some of you
The post is here
The skinny is I make the case that Phoenix should be one of the biggest and most baseball crazed cities in the country, and from where I am sitting (California) it doesn’t seem to be.
Now I know that asking die hard D’Backs fans like you is probably the wrong group to bring this up to… but I am curious to hear some of your takes on it
And as a classic Red Sox fan and Yankee hater… let’s just say “Thank you for 2001!!!”
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