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Diamondbacks 3, Brewers 4 - Fire Melvin

Record: 42-43. Pace: 80-82. Change on last season: -5.

I'm just about ready to burst. I wasn't able to post relevant comments in tonight's Gameday Thread, due to the prohibition on discussing the actual game. I really had to restrain myself, because this was the most hopelessly mismanaged and misplayed game I think I have ever seen. I hardly know where to start.

What about with our basepath psychopaths? Two innings into this game, we had five hits, two hit batters...and scored exactly one run. The "aggressive baserunning" beloved of Grace - and, it appears, Melvin - comes back to bite us with a piranha-like vengeance. First, Drew is gunned down trying to take third, and then Young is thrown out at home, trying to score from second on an infield single. Whisky Tango Foxtrot? That's probably two more runs we should have scored - at the time, I said to Mrs. SnakePit, "If that ends up costing us dearly, we know who to blame." And, oh, look what happened... :-(

The Petit Unit pitched very, very well. Retired the first nine batters he faced, and allowed only two hits and no walks through six innings, with just one run allowed. Heck, Micah might not have a job when he comes back. I'm wondering what Yusmeiro's future in the organization will be? We have the rotation largely sewn up next year as well [I'm assuming Scherzer replaces Johnson at this point], so there doesn't seem to be a spot for him. Still, he is young enough yet: only 23, and his birth isn't until November. Getting him for Jorge Julion definitely counts as one of JB's better trades. However, I think this is probably his last year of minor-league options, so we may be faced with some difficult decisions between now and next spring.

Chad Qualls should not be allowed into any game where the tying run is at the plate. He is just too much of a threat to cough it up, doing so tonight, even though he came into the inning with two outs and the bases empty. He allowed back-to-back hits for extra bases, a triple and a double. Mark Grace pointed out that both came on hanging sliders, when that is far from his best pitch. Maybe someone just needs to take the slider out of Qualls' repertoire? Good work by Slaten to get a pair of hard-hitting lefties, in Fielder and Branyan. Shame it was largely for naught. Why was Cruz - pronounced fit and ready to go before the game - not brought in? By just about any measure, he is the better pitcher.

I know I've complained before, but I'm going to keep doing it, while Melvin keeps asking his best batters to put down goddamn sacrifice bunts. Drew gets on with a single: Hudson, the second-best hitter on the team, is then asked to sacrifice. We've all seen how well that works, and lo, he fails to get the bunt down. With two outs, the bunt has to be taken off, and O-Dawg whacks a single into left-field. +8% to Win Probability: 8%. Then, Melvin asks the best hitter on the team, Conor Jackson, to sacrifice. CoJack does at least get the bunt down - even this, probably the best of all bunting situations, with two on and no outs, increases Win Probability by 0.6%. And the run still fails to score, as Reynolds and Young both ground out. I wonder how many times a bunt has let to us scoring any additional runs this year: I will have to check, but I suspect it's not many.

The Brewers immediately homered off Peña to take the lead, and though Upton tied the game up again with a homer of his own in the bottom of the eighth, more Melvin mismanagement murdered us in the ninth. Reynolds had pinch-hit for Tracy in the eighth, but stayed in the game to play first-base. That would be a position he has never played in the majors, and has a massive eight games of experience there, over his entire professional career. Seeing that, I was in absolutely no way surprised, when the first ball hit his way ate him up for an error - a base-runner which subsequently became the Brewers' winning run. Way to manage your bench, Melvin.

Of course, thanks to brilliant roster management, we had a bench of four. Connor Robertson - used for three innings last night, and so presumably a waste of space today (no offense, Connor) - could have been sent back down, with an outfielder like Romero called up. That way, even if Reynolds was the choice to pinch-hit, we could have moved Jackson to first and still had someone to cover the outfield. Mind you, on that front, some managers wouldn't send the team K leader to the plate, with the go-ahead run on third and less than two outs. Why not use Hammock – .a career 277/.328/.447 vs. LHP, and only a 13.2% K rate? Oh, of course: the ever-looming possibility Montero might go down with a fractured testicle too and we’d be left without a catcher… Sheesh. Dodged a bullet there, didn’t we? Melvin, however, is the Mad Scientist. Mad? Going by this performance, the men in white coats have given up on the drugs and gone straight for the frontal lobotomy.

We should have buried the Brewers. We pounded out twelve hits - but managed to push only three runs across home-plate. That's the first time we've had so many hits and lost because we got such a low return, since July 20th, 2005, when we scored twice on 12 hits against Florida, and were defeated 9-2. I guess the hits are something which is good to see. In games #41-80, we reached double figures only six times, but have managed to do it four of the past five games, so that's a recent improvement - and a small measure of comfort on a night where our lead over the Dodgers got slashed to 1.5 games, the smallest it has been since April 8. There is now a very real possibility we might not be in first at the All-Star break.

Four hits for Hudson - I was also very impressed by him taking second on an outfield fly in the ninth, though that went for nothing - plus two for Drew and Young. Ojeda, leading off [perhaps the only thing Melvin got right all night], reached safely three times, on a hit, walk and HBP. I also have to commend Young for a fabulous catch made up against the fence in left-center, to end the top of the ninth inning, which certainly saved a run. On the other hand, he also grounded into the double-play which ended the game, with the tying run just a bloop away. The baseball gods giveth, and the baseball gods taketh away... Tonight, it was almost all the latter.

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Master of his domain: Justin Upton, +32.8%
Honorable mentions: Hudson, +26.8; Petit, +24.1%
God-emperor of suck: Chris Young, -30.2%
Dishonorable mention: Lyon, -29.1%; Peña, -18.6%; Qualls, -17.5%

Pretty much all or nothing tonight, as far as Win Probability goes. I don't think I've ever seen us with three players about +20, in a loss, though the only other one in positive territory at all was Doug Slaten at +7.6%. Fascinating Gameday Thread; I think that the "non-discussion" concept proved a lot harder than most people expected! Lot of fun though, so thanks to Muu, DbacksSkins, Diamondhacks, 4 Corners Fan, mrssoco, kishi, emilylovesthedbacks, TwinnerA, luckycc, unnamedDBacksfan, IndyDBack, mr.tunes, hotclaws, aricat, dahlian, seton hall snake pit, ChandlerDad and soco for their contributions. Won't do that again for a while, I suspect!

As noted, it cuts our lead down to 1.5 games, and also sinks us below .500 for only the third day since the end of the 2006 season. To add to the woes, we may have lost Byrnes for the season. Melvin says, "Whether or not he has to have surgery will probably be the telltale. Right now, we're still trying to figure out how severe it is in there and how far the tendon is off the bone. We will decide if surgery is the way to go or if it's not the way to go. We're still trying to wait on that one. It becomes a decision on his part too, and whether or not he wants to do the surgery based on the opinions he gets after listening to all the proper personnel. There will be a lot of eyes on this one." The story also says Byrnes has not even been in the clubhouse since the injury, which is...interesting. There was some good news, however, in that Snyder does not require surgery on his fractured testicle. I think we're all relieved to hear that - Snyder most of all.

Oh, well: the first three games of this series have gone pretty much the way I expected. Hopefully the fourth will as well, with Webb taking the mound tomorrow. As a thought, I'm wondering if we'll adjust the schedule between now and the All-Star break. If we keep the normal rotation, he'll pitch twice before the break: tomorrow and on June 9th. But because of the day off we have on the 7th, he could pitch on the 8th, then again on the 13th, in the final game before the break - and then on the 18th, the first game back after it. That might well remove any chance of him pitching in the All-Star Game, but frankly, that feels very secondary to me at the moment.

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If only

If only you all had listened to me 2 years ago. (Unrelated, but man, this is funny to go back and read this.)

Bob. Melvin. Sucks.

Our offense sucks too, but I’m sure it’s pretty easy to blame that on him too. Let me give it a shot.

Our offense sucks because of Bob Melvin. Wow… that was easy.

Two months and nothing has changed. Nothing has changed in the line-up (aside from injuries)... nothing has changed, apparently, in practice… nobody has done anything except hold a closed door whining session. It’s time to start sitting, sending, and putting people down. Melvin first.

Fire Bob Melvin. Free Jamie D'Antona. Eric Byrnes Sucks.

by nihil67 on Jul 3, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phew

Reading your “this” link was…interesting. What idiot said, “I’ve been convinced: Byrnes is great.” Oh, hang on – that was me… :-( Fortunately, I redeem myself later with, “As for future years…I’d go with Young, personally.” And, of course, this dates back to the time when Byrnes was a) playing center, and b) costing us $2.25m. Neither is the case any longer.

With regard to Melvin, he was brilliant last year with his moves, and could do no wrong. But they have been so utterly wretched and ineffective in comparison this year, that I have to wonder, was he simply very, very lucky, rolling the dice and getting a load of double-sixes?

by Jim McLennan on Jul 3, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luck

I think my claims to him being lucky and the players bailing him out of his stupid decisions were fairly well documented if one was to go back and look.

Fire Bob Melvin. Free Jamie D'Antona. Eric Byrnes Sucks.

by nihil67 on Jul 3, 2008 12:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been up for firing him since the all-star break

last year. Manager of the year made me feel like an idiot. You called it right, it took a year for me to follow suit

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Jul 3, 2008 5:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prophetic

The best thing to do:
Fire Bob Melvin. I’m usually part of the camp that believes that it’s not all the manager’s fault, but the last two weeks have been some of the dumbest, uninspired baseball I’ve seen in some time. It’s the same uninspired baseball that plagued the Mariners under Melvin. This guy may be a good strategist and bench coach, but I don’t think he has what it takes to lead a team.

by nihil67 on Jun 19, 2006 7:25 AM MST actions actions 0 recs

Change the year tag and this could have been the game from that night or any night the past two months

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the brighter side

Yusmiero Petit certainly appeared to have figured something out. No walks. 53 of the 77 pitches are for strikes. The ball, for the most part, is kept down.

If he can keep up something that even closely resembles this kind of effectiveness, I don’t think it’ll be much of a decision for next year. Edgar, out, Petit, in. The decision may be easier as the sketchy amount of data around Edgar’s injury screams to me that he’s perhaps not torn, but has severly damaged his Tommy John ligament.

Fire Bob Melvin. Free Jamie D'Antona. Eric Byrnes Sucks.

by nihil67 on Jul 3, 2008 11:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, Melvin must go. . . .

Have NEVER thought Melvin was the genius the media made him out to be and I thought the manager of the year award last year was going to cost the Dbacks since it would only delay an eventual firing of Melvin. The Mad Scientist label will grow old if the Dbacks keep losing and people start to wonder “Hey, why IS he putting a different lineup out there every game?” I had the volume off and honestly didn’t notice that Reynolds stayed in at 1st – yes, great decision.

I think you undersell Petit – he has put up monster numbers in the minors and is a legitimate rotation option the next 2 years. He might even be ahead of Scherzer. I think Owings needs pick it up or he’ll be out next year – Webb, Haren, Davis and then Scherzer, Petit or Owings. Either way, the Dbacks are going to have the best pitching in the NL the next 2 years. It’s funny, a year plus ago the Dbacks were loaded with position prospects but not much pitching. Now they have tons of pitching (there’s a lot of good prospects in the minors and they just drafted Schlereth who might be up this year) and not much in the way of position prospects.

BTW, D’Antona might be a decent hitter but doesn’t look to have a position – he has a 903 fielding % at 3B this year and a career 917 fielding % at 3B. He’s another Jackson/Tracy decent (but not great) hitter with a limited glove.

Losing Byrnes and Snyder shouldn’t really hurt the offense too much – Hammock should replace Snyder’s production and Montero probably needs a chance to find out if he’s an everyday catcher in the bigs anyway. Effectively, Tracy replaces Byrnes and as bad as Byrnes has been, that is an upgrade. defensively is another story – they are going to take a hit defensively, a big hit. As for Byrnes, I expect him to be done for the year – anyone remember the on-going Kevin Johnson hamstring problems the last 5 years of his career?

Also, while the pitching giving up leads sucks, all of the blame right now goes squarely on the offense. When they have 15 baserunners and only manage 3 runs, that’s a problem. When 6 runs is an offensive explosion, that’s a problem. You can’t expect the pitching staff to go out and pitch shutouts every night, you have to score runs sometimes too. Qualls is getting a lot of the blame right now, but he DOES have a 3.49 ERA on the season folks and that doesn’t suck. The Dbacks have a 115 ERA+ which is 3rd in the NL and that doesn’t suck either, but htey DO have a 94 OPS+ offensively which is 11th in the NL and that does suck. The only thing the Dbacks are missing is that big bat in the middle of the lineup to make it go – Upton will be that guy in a few years but for now should be the #2 hitter since he gets on base well. I hate to say it, but purely from a lineup standpoint, Bonds would be a tremendous fit with the Dbacks right now with Byrnes out. Pulg him into left field for a few ABs every night and sub for him for the last 3 innings.

by golfmanthee on Jul 3, 2008 11:59 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"When they have 15 baserunners and only manage 3 runs, that’s a problem."

I disagree. If you have 15 baserunners and only manage three runs, that’s bad luck. It may not look it at the time, but those are the things that even out over the course of the season.

This team doesn’t need more clutch hitting, they just need hitting. Get enough runners on base and hit enough balls to the wall and the runs will eventually come. While frustrating, last night and really this whole series has been extremely encouraging in regards to the offense.

by dahlian on Jul 3, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I agree in principle

What happened last night was not bad luck. It was bad decision making.

Fire Bob Melvin. Free Jamie D'Antona. Eric Byrnes Sucks.

by nihil67 on Jul 3, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually. . . .

. . . .they had 18 baserunners in that game – 12 hits, 3 walks, 2 HBP and 1 ROE.

While I agree with you generally, one of the DBacks’ problems is they don’t ahve the big-bopper in the middle and will periodically have games where all their hits are singles. Much tougher to win when you don’t hit as many to the wall as the opposition. I guess what I’m saying is they don’t have the 2001 Luis Gonzalez holding it all together so far and I can’t see anyone on this team doing that this year. Maybe in a couple years, but not htis year.

by golfmanthee on Jul 4, 2008 2:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kirk Gibson?

Last night was a brutal game, we did everything in our power to give the game away. Chip Hale got three guys thrown out by a combined 768 feet. Giving CoJack the bunt signal was beyond moronic especially when you have hitters prone to K’s behind him.

Who do we get to replace Melvin? The most obvious choices would be Gibson and Hale. How loyal are those guys to Melvin? Wasn’t Yount offered the job after we canned Brenly and he told us to go to hell?

On a plus, liked seeing Petit pitching well and doing his Wild Thing impersonation with the glasses. Does anyone know if he wore contacts last year or could he just not see the plate?

by Augie's Army on Jul 3, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably not Gibson

If I had to pick a guy on the current staff, I’d probably lean towards Glenn Sherlock. If for no other reason than he has the most coaching/managing experience of anyone on the staff.

Fire Bob Melvin. Free Jamie D'Antona. Eric Byrnes Sucks.

by nihil67 on Jul 3, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another thought

I know plenty of people don’t like his shtick in the booth, but Mark Grace is a guy that I’d consider as well. My reservation would be that it’s hard to tell if he’d go down and do the “buddy, buddy” routine with these guys or if he’d crack the whip the way he talks on the air.

Fire Bob Melvin. Free Jamie D'Antona. Eric Byrnes Sucks.

by nihil67 on Jul 3, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chat with Derrick Hall
miodone1:
2:07 pm Not a question but an observation. I certainly hope the team continues to be patient with the young players and does not risk losing anyone for any type of quick fix. As a fan I have always been here for the long haul and will continue to support the team

d_hall:
2:09 pm That is a great comment, and one that is appreciated. We have faith in these kids and realize they will go through growing pains, as most great players do.

Whole chat transcript at this link: http://forum.diamondbacksbullpen.org/viewtopic.php?t=4694&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

He ends the chat with this (or it was in his final words): Believe me, our baseball staff is looking at any and every way to improve this ballclub, and will make a move if it makes us better and does not sacrifice our future.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

30 minutes to todays game

I’m late!

I’m off to the game.

Come on Webb, we need another herculean effort on your part to right the ship, if for only one game, again.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 3, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fire BoMel

The only coach on the staff that deserves to keep his job is Bryan Price. Melvin has been awful. Not much else to say.

by Zephon on Jul 3, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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