Mark Teixeira trade rumors
by Wimb on Jul 29, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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[Moved to front page and refreshed, since the trade talks appear to be coming to the boil.]
Browsing the baseball globe today the Diamondbacks have been linked by both Fox and ESPN to signing Braves First Baseman Mark Teixeira. Fox's Ken Rosenthal in particular discusses the prospect. linky
Whilst it's been made clear in many places that the deal is unlikely would you be in favour of the move under the right circumstances?
If Rosenthal is to be believed the Braves want CoJack as part of the deal and I know I'm stating the obvious but for me that just makes absolutly no sense. CoJack now has value at both LF and 1B and is tearing up pitching recently helping spark the offence. Also worth noting his defence in left has been more then adequete and his speed has also increased making him at least a nuissance in the eyes of pitchers.
Personally I'd love Tex and I don't think it would be too damaging to commit the roughly $5 million he is owed for the rest of the season, especially considering we would get 2 draft picks when he presumably leaves for free agency.
So really I just thought I'd open it up to what sort of package you'd think it would take to get him over here (if you want him at all) With Rauch added to the bullpen we could presumably move one of our bullpen arms but I'd like to think the Braves would be tempted by dangling Doug Davis or even Micah Owings plus a prospect. With Smoltz not certain to return to the rotation and Glavine likely to retire they Braves have a need for starting pitching and with the Petit and Scherzer showing themselves as capable arms I think we could absorb the loss of either Davis or Owings/Petit.
Bottom line though is I think with the addition of Clark the D-Backs ruled this one right out and barring an injury to Clark or Tracy I don't see it happening
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Teixeira for Jackson sounds like a puzzling fantasy baseball trade. You know the type. The owner of Teixeira sidles up to you with greedy, half-drunk smirk and begs you to give a away one of your best long-term assets for a mediocre short-term gain.
It’s not that Teixeira is a bad player. But without Jackson’s bat in the lineup, there wouldn’t be a big improvement. The fact that Fox and ESPN are both suggesting it either scares me (that a decision maker on the D-Backs might also take it seriously) or worries me (for the safety of the ESPN/Fox staffs. Someone must be spiking the morning coffee). Either way, D-Backs please don’t make this trade!
If the Diamondbacks have to give up Jackson, Reynolds, Drew, Upton or Young (and maybe even Scherzer or D’Antona) to get a short term “big bat” like Teixeira, then the cost is too high. I hear Chris Burke might be available.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 24, 2008 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Burke
for Mark Teixeira? Damn… I was really hoping to get Dan Uggla or Alex Rodriguez or Matt Holliday for Burke.
I mean, he CAN play like 6 positions.
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 25, 2008 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way
we give up Jackson for Tex. We need a bat in our lineup that will connect and make something happen every time he hits. That bat is Jackson.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 24, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis and a prospect outside of Scherzer and Parker.
That’s a good deal if we have the money to sign him.
The team that continues to disappoint, the Arizona Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on Jul 24, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps....
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 25, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would make all kinds of not-sense
“Let’s give up our best bat this season to get a badly needed bat!”
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 24, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
It certainly wouldn’t clear up the logjam at first, or give us a left fielder.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 24, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. It sounds more like a trade that the writer WANTS to see, rather than one that will actually happen.
::crosses fingers and prays::
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 24, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, that's mighty strange logic
Your team’s best hitter in OBP, SLG, OPS, and BA at 26 years old, earning $419,500 in exchange for just two months of Mark Teixeira, who’s earning $12,500,000 this year and FAR more for years to come as we lose him to free agency after this season.
Trading a 26 year old with an .887 OPS who’s under our control for a 28 year old with that same identical .887 OPS who’ll be gone in two months makes no sense whatsoever.
Essentially you’d be trading Jackson for a couple of draft picks. PASS and keep passing.
by TAP on Jul 24, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
They have the same OPS? I’m guessing CoJack’s OBP is higher but Tex’s slugging % is higher—and OBP is more important, anyway. (Unless you’re more worried about homeruns and headlines than winning)
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 25, 2008 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Eric Karabell,
it’s about fantasy numbers. And Conor Jackson’s just “aren’t that good.” The D-Backs Roto scores would be much better if they traded for Teixeira.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 25, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's our mistake, then
Obviously we traded for Rauch so we could get more saves on top of the ones Lyon gets.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 25, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.....
farbeit from us to ignore “fantasy numbers”. Nevermind the first word in that phrase….
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 26, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not the same OPS anymore…
Jackson’s OPS is now .902 while Teixeira’s is .888.
Jackson .402 OBP and .500 SLG
Teixeira .384 OBP and .504 SLG
Considering age, control time, and salary, a trade of Jackson for a 2-month Teixeira rental would be flat out insane and word from the AZ FO is that Conor for Teixeira talk is just “"rumors without any real basis.”
by TAP on Jul 27, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+
Ballpark adjusted…Tex 135, CJ 131
Of course the point TAP makes still remains. Even after adjusting for ballpark, it wasn’t a good idea last year and wouldn’t be a good idea this year to move CJ for Tex. Control, contracts, dollars, etc.
by shoewizard on Jul 27, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Why does everyone want to trade Davis? We don’t have anything to replace him with.
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on Jul 24, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not that I want to get rid of him, more that he's the best trade worthy piece we have
But we need a player right now who can make an impact every day, our pitching has coped without him before and we have the players in house to at least get around 80% of Davis’s output. On the other hand we just don’t have that bat. Also trading Davis would help to balance the books for the rest of the season though I don’t think that’s a big issue
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on Jul 24, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jayson Stark chimes in
Every indication is that the Braves have at least touched base with the Rays, Red Sox, Dodgers, Angels and Yankees on Teixeira. But Arizona appears to be the team to watch. The Diamondbacks quietly made a big run at Teixeira last July, and they’re in just as serious need of some major thump now. An official of one club that spoke with the Diamondbacks describes them as having “definite interest.” But while the Braves would love to wrest away Conor Jackson, it’s tough to imagine Arizona dealing away a player it likes that much for two months of Teixeira.Link
[I also corrected the spelling of his name – had to look it up to make sure!]
by Jim McLennan on Jul 24, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He would be a great pickup in the right deal. As others have said, a deal based around CoJack would not make sense. Tracy could be dealt, not sure if he is someone the Braves would be interested in though. What about a deal that includes Lyon? He will be a FA after the year and could potentially bring the 2 draft picks ATL would get by keeping Teixeira. Something like Tracy/Lyon/midlevel (likely SP) prospect for Teixeira and an OK lefty middle reliever (or just lefty specialist even)? Is this enough for a couple months of Tex (and the compensatory picks we would get for him), or too much for us to give up? Would the Braves have any interest in Tracy? Does using Lyon purely for his ability to bring back pick(s) make sense?
by manphibian on Jul 24, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From the D-Back’s end, this sounds workable. Not sure how the Braves would like it though. Although he’s looked good recently, Tracy’s more of a platoon player than he is a starter. I don’t know how often teams trade for players like that when they’re not contenders looking to fill a very specific hole.
I also don’t know if we have a tradeable lefty right now. If we did, I think he’d be on the team.
But the idea of a serviceable veteran plus a an “A” free agent sounds interesting.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 24, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a team trades
their half-season rent a player and waves the white flag, then the last thing they’ll want in return is another half-season rent a player.
by dahlian on Jul 24, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they'd want Lyon...
I’m working from the assumption that what they are looking for in return for Teixeira is simply more than they would get by keeping him (the draft picks). By getting Lyon back they would be getting the picks, which might make the mediocre prospect or two look pretty good, like they are adding them essentially for free. Of course if Lyon doesn’t look like a type A, it doesn’t work as well. Don’t know what their closer situation is, whether he would get the saves needed to insure that designation.
by manphibian on Jul 24, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If CoJack's name is involved...
The answer is a resounding no.
Similarly, CoJack/Brandon Webb for Mark Teixeira/John Smoltz is also a resounding no.
by Azreous on Jul 24, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Are people seriously suggesting that that might be an option? I thought Texeira for Jackson was ridiculous, and if you add Webb/Smoltz in there it becomes absolutely ludicrous.
by bcloirao on Jul 24, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
More a reference to a thread back at the start of the season where a Webb/Smoltz trade was suggested, then hastily shot down.
by Azreous on Jul 24, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Otherwise I’d have to commit Hari Kari.
Two older rentals for two young studs. Sounds a lot like Isiah Thomas in New York.
by bcloirao on Jul 24, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy...
If Teixeira had like 5 years/$300 million left on his contract, that comparison would be frighteningly accurate. As it is, it’s still pretty good.
by Azreous on Jul 24, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Teixeira is too good currently for that comparison to make sense. He’d have to be showing clear signs of major decline and/or coming off of a major injury/surgery, and at the same time not fit the teams needs very well.
by manphibian on Jul 24, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webb for Smoltz....
....was ALWAYS such a stupid trade.
And yet, the Braves fans were honestly torn…
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 25, 2008 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch it…don’t make me break out my statistics…
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 25, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH NO
STATISTICS
Do you honestly think any of us here are going to want to move Webb for pretty much anyone?
Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!
by soco on Jul 25, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering I wasn’t talking to you, maybe stay out of this? I’m joking around with Dbacks Skins.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 25, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please break out with your statistics
Could I see your statistics that prove trading Smoltz for Webb is NOT a stupid trade for the Diamondbacks to make?
How bout we look at the facts and statistics in the real world?
He’s been injured this year and has ONLY PITCHED 28 INNINGS and started just 5 games.
John Smoltz is 41 years old and is signed to a one year contract with club option for ‘09 and ‘10. He’s getting paid $14M this year, $12 million next year, and at least $12 million in 2010. His options for ‘09 becomes guaranteed with >200IP, and the same goes for his 2010 based on how many innings he’s pitched in ‘09.
Let’s compare that to Brandon Webb’s who’s 29 years old, and is essentially signed through 2010. He’s getting paid $5.5M this year, $6.5M in 2009, and has an $8.5M club option for 2010.
Just by comparing the two player’s contracts you can see that trading Webb for Smoltz makes no sense economically for Arizona. If that’s not enough to convince you, we’ll go ahead look at their numbers this year.
Smoltz has an era of 2.57, 36:8 K:BB, and 1.179 WHIP.
Brandon Webb has a ERA of 3.11, 116:36 K:BB ratio, and a 1.158 WHIP
Yes his ERA is lower than Webb’s, but you have to take in to consideration the fact he’s pitching in pitching friendly ball park. Webb is pitching in one of the best hitter’s park in the game. Webb has also recently gone through a rough stretch of starts. I wouldn’t be surprised at the end of the year if his era is lower than Smoltz, in addition to him already having a better WHIP and strike out to walk ratio,
Oh and then there’s a few very important statistics that i didn’t include in the numbers above: Games started and Innings pitched. Smoltz has been injured this year and has ONLY PITCHED 28 INNINGS and started just 5 games. Webb, on the other hand has been healthy this year and has made 25 starts and pitched 139 innings. Did mention complete games? Smolts has grand total of zero, while Webb already has two with a shut out.
So not only is Webb younger than Smoltz, but he’s a lot cheaper and a better pitcher. Yeah, trading the two is a great idea, just like trading Eric Byrnes for Josh Hamilton is a good idea for the Texas Rangers.
If you think it’s a great trade for the Braves, then you are one hundred percent correct in your thinking. And I’m sure that’s likely your thinking with Teixeira. This a Diamondbacks website though, and that kind of thinking doesn’t work here. We’re open to trade suggestions that actually work for both teams, but we’re not going to hear it if you’re going to suggest lopsided deals with little to no benefit for the Diamondbacks. If you’re going to keep on doing that, go back to Talking Chop. I’m sure they’ll agree with you on all your trade ideas there.
Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.
by Zephon on Jul 26, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn.
Thank you very much for your information. I appreciate the fact that you went to this much effort to try and prove me wrong but you wasted your time. If you had been involved in the intial discussion over at TC you would have already noticed what my stance was on the trade. But you weren’t. So you don’t. So please don’t put words in my mouth.
I’m not an idiot. I understand that trading a future HOFer who is on the wrong side of 40 for a proven ace who isn’t even 30 is stupid. The discussion ends right there. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TRADE WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. Is that not enough? The contracts…I understand that too. Another reason why this trade would ever happen. But what I ask is, do you even remember how this whole things came up? Someone over on TC brought up the idea, and then it was several members of this blog that came over to our blog and started the discussion. I cannot speak for the entire TC community but all I was doing was pointing out to your friends that Smoltz, even at this age, is just as good if not better than Brandon Webb. I wasn’t even talking about the trade, b/c I knew it was stupid to begin with. I was merely trying to show you that Smoltz is better than a “good pitcher”. And one last thing…quoting statistics for this season, after Smoltz has already been shut down, proves nothing.
If you really want to get a clue you would click here and actually read the original dialogue. About halfway down the page. Can’t miss it.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 28, 2008 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
...my goodness, as I’m re-reading the original thread I see that I must have been in a pissy mood that day. Regardless, it’s a pretty good read and it does convey my point…which was that Smoltz and Webb were both top notch starters for the past 3 seasons, and that there wasn’t this massive discrepancy like some Arizona fans would lead you to believe.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 28, 2008 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you weren't a smiling ball of sunshine
but it happens :-)
formerly Seton Hall Snake Pit. The newer simpler version.
by AJforAZ on Jul 28, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now here’s a familiar face! Good to see you again.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 28, 2008 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There!
That’s the friendly visiting fan of Smoltz’s Beard that we know and like. :-)
by Jim McLennan on Jul 28, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jim. Sorry I was spitting hot fire yesterday, but you defensive people on this board! Feel like I’m wearing the wrong gang colors or something.
Take care.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 28, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't about past performance
You are right there wasn’t a huge discrepancy between the production from these two over the previous 3 years. But when you are proposing a trade, all that matters is what happens going forward. And when AGE, and future projections were taken into account, PLUS the contracts and years of control…....it was always a silly proposal. Sorry.
by shoewizard on Jul 28, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen man…take the time to actually read the link I posted before you come back at me and act like you know more than I do. If you can find somewhere in the entire thread where I said that it was a fair trade I’ll shut my mouth. But you won’t.
You’re 3 months too late.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 28, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read the thread
You missed the point then, AND now.
At least you are consistent. ;)
by shoewizard on Jul 28, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No…you’re missing the point. I never once said that it was a fair trade. I never once even said that it was a trade in the realm of possibility. And now I’m done with you, because you weren’t even involved in the original discussion. I wasn’t even talking to you in the first place. So go pump your inferiority complex somewhere else.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 29, 2008 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CoJack for Teixeira
is crazy dumb. I’d hope, if something went down, that we wouldn’t move one of our starters either, but we probably wouldn’t have much of a choice.
Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!
by soco on Jul 24, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade Tracy or Owings for Tex?
We discussed this all day at DBBP.
I probably would. Flags fly forever.
by shoewizard on Jul 24, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’d probably be okay with either of those.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 24, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owings yeah
I guess Tracy. He’s been good recently, so I’d hate to see his bat go, especially for a guy that probably won’t stick around beyond the season.
Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!
by soco on Jul 24, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be at the top
of his trade value right now, since he looks like an all-world player, like he’s returning to his 27-HR 2005 form.
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 25, 2008 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't really mind
keeping Tracy and getting another 1B. That is if his legs are OK. Let him move to RF and get some time there also. Let Upton come along a little slower and develop. He was struggling before the injury
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 25, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flag fetish
Yes they do fly forever. Tracy’s raking at the plate right now and his knees are an ongoing concern. Chad is looking at $3.75M this year, $4.75M next year, and a $7M club option with a $1M buyout in 2010. I could be convinced to make that deal for Teixeira but I doubt Atlanta would.
by TAP on Jul 25, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably.
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 25, 2008 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think...
...of the new trade that’s been brought up. Parker/Tracy for Tex?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 25, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No
If I was making the trade, Parker wouldn’t even be on the table for discussion, especially for a rental player.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 25, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much what I thought. Not sure if you guys considering him your #1 prospect, but BP does and that’s who I normally go by. Either way, I certainly didn’t think that his name would enter the discussion.
What do you think? Tex & two possible draft picks for Tracy and Parker? One of those questions where are you willing to trade a top prospect for a guy who can help your chances of winning the division and making the playoffs?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 25, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are not trading Parker for Tex
I don’t know why fans of other teams always feel compelled to go to some team’s board and suggest stupid trades.
And yes, I know Peter Gammons made this suggestion. He is senile. It’s not happening, and it’s not reasonable. So just stop.
What wold you think if you guys were in the race and Kelly Johnson got hurt and we came over to your board suggesting we trade Hudson to you guys for one of your everyday starting position players and your number one or two pitching prospect ?
by shoewizard on Jul 25, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still no
I don’t think Tex is that huge an upgrade over Tracy, really, to make a massive difference in our chances, and that would basically mean trading our top prospect for a slight upgrade and two supplemental draft picks. No thanks.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 25, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See…this is how you respond. Thank you. Pretty much dead on with what I thought when I first heard the “suggested stupid trade”.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 25, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
There is no way Parker is or ever will be a part of the discussion for any trade. This is obviously just trade speculation floated by the sports writers. History has shown that this FO doesn’t let a lot of talk leak out in regards to any potential move they are going to make.
And besides all that, including Jarrod Parker in a trade would be just stupid. Once he reaches the majors, the Diamondbacks will control him for six year like any other player that comes up through the minors. And in Parker’s case, he has too much talent and potential for the Dbacks to essentially give him away for two months of control of a player that they have absolutely NO chance of signing to a long term contract.
Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.
by Zephon on Jul 26, 2008 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
A few months of Tex for one of our better pitching prospects?
Um, no.
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 26, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems
like ESPN really wants the Diamondbacks to make this trade. They want it so much that they’re willing to offer all kinds of suggestions about how it could be done. Is it just a really slow news cycle? They’re working awfully hard to make this trade.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 25, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's odd since ESPN
probably can’t find Arizona on the map.
They must think our FO is REALLY that dumb.
Will Hope Prevail?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 25, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
that Steve Phillips and Peter Gammons haven’t actually watched the D-Backs play. Their analysis looks like they read the stat sheets, looked at a list of the D-Back’s top prospects and wrote out a wish list of “interesting trades.”
And I really HOPE our front office isn’t that dumb.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 25, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't make sense
To trade your best offensive player for someone who is not in100% shape. Even if this deal happens, would the Diamondbacks be able to keep him for next year. They still have hudson to deal with.
If they trade Jackson for Texeira you will still be in the same position. you trade a great bat for a great bat. you still have a missing piece.
There is to many facts to think about and so little time left in July. I just hope the Front Office to makes the right decision. On the other hand, I’m used to bonehad decisions.
It's not over until it's over
by hotchixsnake27 on Jul 25, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tex is going to be
a $100M+ player this offseason. Given that we already have CJ and Tracy to fill that hole, if the team is willing to open the checkbook for a star they’d be better of going after C.C. Sabbathia.
Of course, that will never happen (especially in this post-Byrnes world), but I suppose a man can always dream about a Webb-Haren-Sabbathia rotation. sigh…
by dahlian on Jul 25, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Mark Teixeira REALLY that good?
I mean, I know he’s pretty good…. but, c’mon…....
I hate Scott Boras.
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 26, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE ONLY WAY
we should trade for Tex is if we can arrange a reasonable extension before the trade is done. Then I’d be a bit more tempted to make the deal.
formerly Seton Hall Snake Pit. The newer simpler version.
by AJforAZ on Jul 25, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors still flying on Yahoo sports blog
I hope it goes away soon. Here is the story:
Source: D’backs and Braves deep into Teixeira trade talkBy ‘Duk
While everyone is going agog over the Manny trade speculation that will most likely ultimately go nowhere, the wheeling and dealing for a much more attainable difference maker in Mark Teixeira is flying under the radar.
That could change quickly, though, because a front office source from another team interested in Teixeira just told Yahoo! Sports’ Steve Henson that negotiations between the Diamondbacks and Braves were “pretty far along.” The Braves are said to be asking for a prospect and either Conor Jackson or Chad Tracy in return.
Teixeira will be a free agent at the end of the season and a trade would mark the second time in as many years that the slugger was swapped at the trading deadline. The Braves gave up Jarrod Saltalamacchia and four minor leaguers to pry Tex from the Rangers last season.
If it goes through, it’d be a good trade for the D’backs, whose middling offense could use Texeira’s power down the stretch while trying to fend off the Dodgers. Meanwhile, Tracy is scheduled to make $4.5 million next year in the last year of his deal while Jackson will be arbitration eligible for the first time this offseason.
Stay tuned.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 28, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we could lock up Tex for a while
I would probably send Tracy and a prospect. But not for a 2 month rental. I would not involve CoJack in any way.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 28, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Tracy and a Prospect
Tracy’s on a tear right now, and I’m not sure that he can keep it up (especially vs lefties). Once he settles down to his career level, we’d be trading a decent, but not outstanding, player. Without the addition of a good prospect, the Braves would probably be better off keeping Tex and taking the compensatory picks.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 28, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"in the last year of his deal"
Is a little deceptive. Doesn’t Tracy have a club option that could keep him locked up until 2010?
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 28, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guy on MLTR claims futurebacks.com is reporting the trade for Tex is all but done
I couldn’t find the article (subscription?) but what the guy states is ridiculous. CoJack/Scherzer for Tex/Ohman.
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by AJforAZ on Jul 28, 2008 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's insane
There is no way we do that trade
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 28, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That'd be awful.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 28, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If CoJack is traded, I’m going to drive down to Chase Field and just start punching every person I can find. It’s such a dumb idea.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 28, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!
by soco on Jul 28, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure people will be pissed off at me and say “What the hell was that for?” When I explain, they’ll just join in.
I’ll probably leave a note so my wife is ready with bail money- but I don’t think any judge will rule against me, one I explain how stupid a trade it is.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 28, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't assume
That you won’t draw a Cubs fan on the bench.
by UofAZGrad on Jul 28, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That comment
actually made me laugh out loud in the office… now im drawing strange looks so thank you Kishi :(
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on Jul 29, 2008 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get together a carpool
I’m all for a lynching and I can get 3-4 other people into my car ;)
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on Jul 29, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to come from South Carolina
but I might just get mad enough if CoJack is part of any trade.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 29, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Ken Rosenthal
The Diamondbacks, sources say, will not part with first baseman Conor Jackson for Teixeira, who is a free agent at the end of the season. But they would be open to moving Tracy, who is signed for $4.75 million next season with a $7 million option for 2010. The Braves would want at least one other quality player to go with Tracy, who also plays third and could help the team protect against injury to Chipper Jones. Right-hander Micah Owings, a pitcher the Diamondbacks offered to the Nationals in their discussions over right-hander Jon Rauch, could be one possibility.
The Diamondbacks would not trade either of their top pitching prospects, right-hander Max Scherzer or right-hander Jarrod Parker. But a lesser pitcher such as righty Billy Buckner as well as center fielder Gerardo Parra and infielder Jamie D’Antona are among the prospects who could be in play. Jackson would remain in left field if the Diamondbacks acquired Teixeira, then return to first base next season when Eric Byrnes recovers from his torn left hamstring. The D-backs would not attempt to sign Teixeira long-term, instead accepting two premium draft picks when he departs as a free agent.
by Jim McLennan on Jul 29, 2008 3:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeebus
If that went through and Tex, Lyon, Hudson and Cruz depart we would have the better part of the first round of the draft and the sandwich round to ourselves ;)
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on Jul 29, 2008 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tracy and Buckner
I’d do that. If the Braves want Parra or D’Antona… I ask for Royce Ring too.
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on Jul 29, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Rumors
From Ken Rosenthal. Not much new here except that the D-Backs won’t trade Jackson, Scherzer or Parker. Which is a relief. I don’t want to read about a “Mad Punching Spree” at Chase Field.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Basically the same rumors
as Jim’s link.
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on Jul 29, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot
Thought it was a different article. These Ken Rosenthal articles are all starting to look alike.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 29, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
It is a different article, sort of. The words are in a different order but the info is suspiciously similar. I think may be burning out on this whole trade rumors thing.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 29, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From another board
haven’t verified it yet….
From MSNBC.COM…...
The Braves are giving up on 2008 and trying hard to move soon-to-be free agent first baseman Mark Teixeira. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Arizona Diamondbacks, Tampa Bay Rays, and Los Angeles Dodgers are all supposedly in the mix, with Anaheim looking like the frontrunner for now and the D’Backs not looking likely. Anaheim would need to send Casey Kotchman to the Braves in order to rent Teixeira for the season’s end. There is an outside chance Boston will make a run at Teixeira, particularly if it trades Manny Ramirez and decides to move Kevin Youkilis to the outfield. (New York Post, Los Angeles Times, MLB.com
Will Hope Prevail?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 29, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB Trade Rumors.com reported
“Mark Teixeira Rumors: Tuesday
By Tim Dierkes [July 29 at 3:46pm CST]
3:46pm: SI.com’s Jon Heyman has the D’Backs, Rays, and Angels vying for Tex. A first baseman is not a requirement for Atlanta, though all three teams could part with one. Heyman talked to one Angels source who considered a deal “remote.”
ESPN’s Buster Olney says the Braves want pitching in return.”
I think if we were to give up Chad Tracy, Micah Owings, and Jamie D’antona we could get this deal done. Not only would I be all for this trade, I think it could help us reach the playoffs and from their the World Series.
But of course the next argument that arises is the fact that Texeira is a rental player. This may be true, but I think that the Josh Byrnes would be willing to let him walk for the two draft picks. Potentially if Lyon, Hudson, Texeira, and Cruz all walked we could have 9 picks in the first 50 of next years draft. Thus, restocking the farm system that was left bone dry after the Haren trade.by JUPTON10 on Jul 29, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry
i stopped that short because Texeira was just traded to the angels
by JUPTON10 on Jul 29, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN reports...
Mark Teixeira to the Angels for Casey Kotchman and Double-A left-handed pitcher Stephen Marek.
Beer...now there's a temporary solution!
by IndyDBack on Jul 29, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what's stupid about trade rumors
That they’re all rumors and everyone gets all aflutter over them. A lot of the time, it seems like these trade rumors have little to no basis in reality, and are just driven by writers looking to get some attention. Let’s look at a few comments here…
ESPN’s Buster Olney says the Braves want pitching in return.
Okay, fine.
ESPN’s Jayson Stark says [...t]he Braves want a big-league ready bat, preferably a first baseman, in any trade.
Wait, what?
George King of the New York Post talked to a source who thinks this trade is dead, but King thinks it could be resurrected.
A dramatization of the conversation:
King: “What’s going on with the Washburn trade?”
Source: “We’re not doing it, it’s over.”
King: “Oh, like hell it is! Just wait until my next column! I’m not letting this trade die!”
Source: “Uh, you know you’re just a reporter, right? You don’t actually make trades?”
King: “Silence!”
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 29, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks to be confirmed
I’ll take this back off the front-page now, as it’s no longer really relevant to us.
by Jim McLennan on Jul 29, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
glad sanity
prevailed!
Will Hope Prevail?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 29, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Teixeira now an Angel.
The team that continues to disappoint, the Arizona Diamondbacks.
by srdmad on Jul 29, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good
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by AJforAZ on Jul 29, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we trade Tracy and Buckner to the Braves for Kotchman now?
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on Jul 29, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a straight Burke for Kotchman deal....
He can play first!!!!!!! ;)
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on Jul 29, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take
just about anyone for Burke.
Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!
by soco on Jul 29, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inside sources....
have reported that a Chris Burke for a stop sign trade is imminent
With the credit crunch hitting the global economy, many stores are said to be needing a man who can occupy several positions within the store without sending objects flying anywhere. Meanwhile a D-Backs source only known as Windmill has recently been reportedly looking for a means of stopping D-Backs base runners from steaming past 3rd….
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on Jul 29, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just not a priority for me.
What matters to me is getting Webb locked down like we are about to do with Haren. Until tha happens, nothing else matters, imo. We CAN win with what we have today. I just don’t see the need for outside distractions, maybe I’m being myopic…..
Will Hope Prevail?
by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 29, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100
If we can get Haren and Webb into longer contracts in the next six months, I will be extremely thrilled.
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
by kishi on Jul 29, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Teixeira went to the Angels
The Braves chose between two offers for first baseman Mark Teixeira, sources say. The Angels proposed first baseman Casey Kotchman and Class AA right-hander Stephen Marek. The Diamondbacks offered Tracy and right-hander Micah Owings. In the end, the Braves’ decision was easy. Kotchman, 25, is nearly three years younger than Tracy, under club control for three more seasons and still capable of offensive growth. Tracy, 28, is under contract for $4.75 million next season with a $7 million club option for 2010 — higher salaries than Kotchman will earn during that time.
The difference in pitchers, while debatable, also tilted in favor of the Angels’ offer. Owings, 25, is viewed skeptically by some rival executives, and the D-Backs sent him to Class AAA on Tuesday with a 6-9 record and 5.93 ERA. Marek, 24, also is not a sure thing — one rival exec questions his athleticism and arm action — but the Braves project him as a setup man and possibly a starter. Braves right-hander Tim Hudson could require “Tommy John” ligament-transplant surgery, and their rotation already is an area of greater need than their bullpen.
by Jim McLennan on Jul 30, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Tracy continues to hit the way he has been
Who needs Tex anyway? Both Jackson and Tracy are hitting the ball well. Both are over .300 and driving runs in. And they are under our control for a couple of years.
by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 31, 2008 7:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem there
Is next year, when Byrnes (presumably) recovers and is ready to play left-field again. It’d take something fairly radical – such as moving Reynolds to second-base, or having a $10m bench-warmer – to then clear the logjam on the corners of the infield, presuming everyone is playing well.
by Jim McLennan on Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda like the sound of trying Reynolds
at second. It’d save us a ton of money in FA, fill a major need, clear a major logjam position wise, and we could use the extra funds to shore up Webb, Haren, Reynolds so on and so forth
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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reynolds at second would be an interesting gamble...
Looking at his fielding totals on BB-Ref, he’s only played 24 games at second in the minors. But he does have the highest fielding percentage and range factor there.
Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. He can't hit, and probably never will.
by Zephon on Jul 31, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's integral to the position, though.
2B is almost ALWAYS going to have a better range factor than a corner infielder.
Mark’s athleticism might come in handy in the middle infield, though.
Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.
by DbacksSkins on Jul 31, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Upton move back to the middle infield?
I think he was drafted as a shortstop but I have know idea how well he actually plays there. That’d free up an outfield spot for someone, although it still seems like the D-Backs will have too many outfielders/corner infielders.
"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson
by Scrbl on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd give Reynolds a better shot of adjusting
than I would Upton. His brother was in a similar position and he has bricks for hands in the IF so he’s patrolling the OF now
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by AJforAZ on Jul 31, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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