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D-Backs close to Clark deal

Why?? How will he be used?

this ship has long set sail, why bring it back to port? Can't we actually build from within and for the future instead of trotting out these reruns?

Update, with the basics from the piece

"The Diamondbacks appear to be closing in on a trade with the San Diego Padres that will bring first baseman Tony Clark back to Arizona. After significant discussions in recent days, a deal could be final as soon as today, according to a major league source, who said the Diamondbacks will give up a minor league prospect in the trade.

It appears Clark has agreed to waive his assignment bonus, the $500,000 clause that otherwise would have kicked in when he was traded. The bonus, which served as a form of no-trade protection, was expected to be a hurdle in the negotiations. The Diamondbacks will be responsible for the remainder of Clark's $900,000 salary."

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Getting Tony Clark back

is cheaper than firing BoMel and hiring another manager.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 1:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Agree

I think we know who really won the Manager of the Year last season.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 1:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course,

this is also us discussing the best-case scenario.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can see the lineup

now for this weekend…..

I have very mixed emotions on this.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

TC at 1B,

Marky Mark at 3B, CoJack and Tracy at LF and RF, respectively….

Yeah, that’d be kinda awesome.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+100

I’ll be okay with this deal if bringing him back means his clubhouse presence calms this team down and gets them back on the right track.

And, also, if he does voice over for some more ads.

"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"

by kishi on Jul 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

IAWTC

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He does have a nice voice, he’s kind of like our very own James Earl Jones.

by TwinnerA on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

if the worldwide leader reports it…...

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I am still waiting their review

to see if I’m in support of the trade.

by Augie's Army on Jul 17, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You p0s3r!!

You see, I only base my opinions on whatever I read in Sports Illustrated.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I use to do that but all the reading became bothersome.

Flashy graphics and the genius of Steve Phillips is all I need. (Victor Zambrano 2009 CY Winner)

by Augie's Army on Jul 17, 2008 2:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

All that real journalism can get kinda tedious sometimes. That’s why I get all my sports new from PTI.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

......who are we

to doubt it?

I still have many ???’s

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone know what the D-Backs are giving up?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:02 PM EDT   0 recs

a pitcher from double a

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 2:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Chris Burke and Chad Qualls.

We’re also getting Jake Peavy.

(This is a pretty good rumor, so I’d like to keep it going)

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

I really hope that that rumor is true…

So, I think this game is somewhere on the East Coast, and I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that this time it counts. What it counts for, I'm still not sure. Also, there are some pretty good players in this one. Some of the best, I think.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 17, 2008 2:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get this at all

Tony is a good guy but we need a guy that can hit the baseball. This seems like yet another attempt to make the fans feel good.

The whole “We’re trying see? We got Tony Clark! We really, really wanna win the West!”“

by Augie's Army on Jul 17, 2008 2:06 PM EDT   0 recs

I think they’re looking for someone to provide some leadership for the team. It’d be nice to have SOMEONE in the dugout who can help the youngsters learn from their mistakes.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Um.....

he gets his uniform dirty?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Turns out they were a little too intangible. Byrnes ended up having a rookie’s head on a veteran’s body.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rut-roh!

Careful there! Don’t bag on EB22 too much….

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And if EB isn’t even in the dugout, how is he providing any intangibles?

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

he’s taking the shaggin’ wagon to go buy the sunflower seeds or something.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+infinity

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope we didn't give up anything

If the price is cheap enough, having Tony Clark to come off the bench is better than having Chris Burke to come off the bench. As long as we gave up virtually nobody in the way of prospects.

I’ve never believed there is any help to be had out there. We will win or lose with the bats we have. We aren’t (and shouldn’t) give up any real prospects to rent a bat for 2 months. And we aren’t going to pay big bucks for a batter…

by Craig from Az on Jul 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT   0 recs

stupidstupidstupid

Right alongside this is the report that the Yanks just signed Sexson for $390K (the prorated minimum of his salary) AND they don’t have to give up anything for him. This would have been a much smarter move. Sexson has more power, hits lefties, and is a second half player. I’m not saying he would have been the Sexson of his Mariner years or anything… but TC???? Sheesh. I’m really irritated with management right now.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 2:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Isn't Sexson

also a huge douchebag in the locker room?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

one thing to say to that: beggers can't be choosers...

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 2:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And

we chose to choose, rather than beg.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In a couple weeks we’ll be begging for anybody but TC’s bat.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Chris Burke?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Let’s not be ridiculous.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's my point.

TC is a definite bench upgrade, if nothing else.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Crazy as it may sound I’d rather have Burke than TC. Burke can’t hit his way out of a paper bag, but TC barely can at this stage… and at least Burke has some position flexibility. We needed a real upgrade and the FO failed to deliver.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So,

in a pinch hitter, in a fringe player, (24th or 25th roster spot) you’d take youth over any hitting ability whatsoever? When this team already has the youngest position players in the majors and one of the worst offenses?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I’d take Sexson… or even Barry. That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been advocating for the FO to get Bonds

for awhile.

But the debate at hand is between Tony Clark and Chris Burke, and in my mind, it’s just about a no-brainer.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would love to see Bonds too! And after looking at Sexton’s BA vs lefties (.344), I think he would have made a great platoon-mate for Tracy.

But I think the D-Backs already have the players they need to win, they just need to take their mistakes in stride and learn to play consistently.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also noted

That his BABIP is .364, unsustainable – his career BABIP is .293, so you’d be foolish to expect more than .260 from him going forward. Also, if he had any value at all, don’t you think the Mariners would have held onto him?

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No… the debate at hand (look at my first post above) was that SEXSON was a better acquisition than TC. You threw out the Chris Burke thing and I bit, but believe me, I’m not wringing my hands that TC is taking Burke’s roster spot (sigh… whatever) even if I slightly disagree with that. What I’m frustrated about was the deal that wasn’t and should have been done.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, if that is true,

then why would you want to go on and on talking about Chris Burke when the debate we’re really interested in is Richie Sexson vs. Tony Clark? To involve Chris Burke in that debate seems like using him as a bit of a straw man….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hey Skins

read the line of comments above… it was YOU who brought up Burke, not me. I made two comments about your statement, 3 sentences total. I wasn’t going “on and on.”

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So now

you don’t even want to talk about the topic at hand, you’re just going to attack me ad hominem? Really, John, I resent these persistent attempts of yours to distract me from the Sexson-Clark debate.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

now I’m just confused. If you have anything of substance to say about Sexson vs. Clark I’m all ears.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 5:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry.

I can’t really keep a straight face anymore anyway. I was wondering how long I’d be able to go with that.

;-)

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

;-)
game over.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I also have some hope that Clark can help the young D-Backs play better, or at least play with fewer mistakes. The team lost some key part of their leadership during the offseason and I’m hoping that he’s the missing piece.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but, but...

wasn’t someone else suppose to step up and provide that?

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was the plan, but it’s not working the way that I’d hoped.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Orlando Hudson

is at least showing them leadership in how to lose millions of dollars in free agency money by debunking your defensive reputation?

Or were you referring to our $30 million subsidy to the illicit marijuana trade?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Or were you referring to our $30 million subsidy to the illicit marijuana trade?

+1
I literally LOL’ed. :-)

So, I think this game is somewhere on the East Coast, and I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that this time it counts. What it counts for, I'm still not sure. Also, there are some pretty good players in this one. Some of the best, I think.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 17, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The 30 million dollar

subsidy….

(good one!)
+1

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"provide leadership" "play with fewer mistakes"

that’s exactly why I’d love to have TC as a coach… but not a player.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too. If Clark was a coach, I’d be thrilled. But I’m hopeful that he’ll help the young D-Backs this year, even if it’s just as a wise old bench player.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know this is repeating my previous post,

but what makes you think that Sexson would have wanted to sign with us given:

a – his past negative history here
b – the obvious understanding that most of the fans here hate him
c – it’s the NL and there’s only one spot for him to play and two first basemen already on the roster
d – the Yankees wanted to sign him

I think had the Diamondbacks acquired him it would have turned into the BK Kim waiver wire pick up v. 2.0.

by dahlian on Jul 17, 2008 9:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 9:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A few reasons:
1) We have a better chance of making the playoffs
2) You think we have a logjam at 1B? The Yankees are worse: Giambi, Betemit, and Duncan.
3) He has a better chance to win the starting job at 1B outright.
4) I don’t really think many fans here hate Richie. Even most hard core fans don’t hate Richie… they hate the deal that sent him here… and they hate the circumstances of his injury.
5) Richie’s personality seems much better suited for AZ than NYC (hello boo-bird magnet).

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1) We may have

a better chance of making the playoffs, but the Yankees are a better team and are still the most storied franchise in the history of baseball. Hell, if I was a fringe player on the downside of my career I’d pick the Yankees over the Diamondbacks just to see what all the hooplah is about. Baseball players want to play for winners, not .500 ball clubs that may barely squeak into the postseason on account of playing in the worst division in baseball. Nobody’s going to go out of their way to play for this team unless they’re also looking to get some work in on their golf game.

2,3)There’s no way Sexson is going to win the starting job outright. If that’s what he’s hoping for then I’m glad he’s looking elsewhere. Also, Tracy and CJ are flat out better players than Wilson and Betemit.

4) It may not be rational for the fans here to hate Richie (As usual, I blame Joe Jr.), but I think you underestimate how synonymous Sexson is with that 108 loss team. To those fans Sexson was a bum that didn’t produce, got injured and then left to go cash checks elsewhere leaving the team that traded their entire starting infield to get him in the lurch. If the fans still held a grudge against BK, they’ll hold one for Sexson.

by dahlian on Jul 17, 2008 11:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Two thoughts.

Firstly, in response to John’s #2, um… the Yankees also have a DH spot to fill. Secondly, dahlian, you of all people should know that we lost 111 games that year, not 108.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

IAWTC

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as it results

In the departure of Burke, Romero or Bonifacio from the roster, it will be addition by subtraction.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 3:38 PM EDT   0 recs

I was wondering who would we send back down?

I am sure it will be either Romero or Bonifacio. I hope TC doesn’t take too many at bats from Tracy or CoJack.

by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 17, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Send 'em both down.

Bring up the winner of the Triple-A Home Run Derby—Jamie D’Antona.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

He ain’t going to take them from Chris Young… :-( More’s the pity, probably.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 5:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He could

You could put Upton in center, Jackson in left, Tracy in right, and Clark at 1st.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was actually thinking about that.

Using Upton in CF to give CY some time to get his swing back. Didn’t the Dbacks at first switch Upton from SS to CF?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 5:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

Yes and no. He played nearly all of his minor league games in CF, but judging from the comments in this thread, they don’t count because they weren’t in AAA.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, quit being so argumentative.

Nobody said that Scribner’s year “doesn’t count”, just that you made it sound more impressive than it really was by neglecting to mention the fact that he’s pitched fewer than 10 innings in high-A ball. You HONESTLY don’t see what’s wrong with this picture??

It’s like me saying that I’d make a great MLB prospect because I batted over .600 in Little League.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Does the FO know about that? Cuz you might be just the player they’re looking for!

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 7:22 PM EDT