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Around SBN: Jerry Sandusky's Wife Tries To Run A Reporter Over

Why?? How will he be used?

this ship has long set sail, why bring it back to port? Can't we actually build from within and for the future instead of trotting out these reruns?

Update, with the basics from the piece

"The Diamondbacks appear to be closing in on a trade with the San Diego Padres that will bring first baseman Tony Clark back to Arizona. After significant discussions in recent days, a deal could be final as soon as today, according to a major league source, who said the Diamondbacks will give up a minor league prospect in the trade.

It appears Clark has agreed to waive his assignment bonus, the $500,000 clause that otherwise would have kicked in when he was traded. The bonus, which served as a form of no-trade protection, was expected to be a hurdle in the negotiations. The Diamondbacks will be responsible for the remainder of Clark's $900,000 salary."

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Getting Tony Clark back

is cheaper than firing BoMel and hiring another manager.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

I think we know who really won the Manager of the Year last season.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course,

this is also us discussing the best-case scenario.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see the lineup

now for this weekend…..

I have very mixed emotions on this.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

TC at 1B,

Marky Mark at 3B, CoJack and Tracy at LF and RF, respectively….

Yeah, that’d be kinda awesome.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+100

I’ll be okay with this deal if bringing him back means his clubhouse presence calms this team down and gets them back on the right track.

And, also, if he does voice over for some more ads.

"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"

by kishi on Jul 17, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

IAWTC

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does have a nice voice, he’s kind of like our very own James Earl Jones.

by TwinnerA on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

if the worldwide leader reports it…...

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You p0s3r!!

You see, I only base my opinions on whatever I read in Sports Illustrated.

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I use to do that but all the reading became bothersome.

Flashy graphics and the genius of Steve Phillips is all I need. (Victor Zambrano 2009 CY Winner)

by Augie's Army on Jul 17, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

All that real journalism can get kinda tedious sometimes. That’s why I get all my sports new from PTI.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

......who are we

to doubt it?

I still have many ???’s

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone know what the D-Backs are giving up?

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris Burke and Chad Qualls.

We’re also getting Jake Peavy.

(This is a pretty good rumor, so I’d like to keep it going)

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I really hope that that rumor is true…

So, I think this game is somewhere on the East Coast, and I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that this time it counts. What it counts for, I'm still not sure. Also, there are some pretty good players in this one. Some of the best, I think.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 17, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get this at all

Tony is a good guy but we need a guy that can hit the baseball. This seems like yet another attempt to make the fans feel good.

The whole “We’re trying see? We got Tony Clark! We really, really wanna win the West!”“

by Augie's Army on Jul 17, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they’re looking for someone to provide some leadership for the team. It’d be nice to have SOMEONE in the dugout who can help the youngsters learn from their mistakes.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um.....

he gets his uniform dirty?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turns out they were a little too intangible. Byrnes ended up having a rookie’s head on a veteran’s body.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

rut-roh!

Careful there! Don’t bag on EB22 too much….

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if EB isn’t even in the dugout, how is he providing any intangibles?

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

he’s taking the shaggin’ wagon to go buy the sunflower seeds or something.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

+infinity

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we didn't give up anything

If the price is cheap enough, having Tony Clark to come off the bench is better than having Chris Burke to come off the bench. As long as we gave up virtually nobody in the way of prospects.

I’ve never believed there is any help to be had out there. We will win or lose with the bats we have. We aren’t (and shouldn’t) give up any real prospects to rent a bat for 2 months. And we aren’t going to pay big bucks for a batter…

by Craig from Az on Jul 17, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

stupidstupidstupid

Right alongside this is the report that the Yanks just signed Sexson for $390K (the prorated minimum of his salary) AND they don’t have to give up anything for him. This would have been a much smarter move. Sexson has more power, hits lefties, and is a second half player. I’m not saying he would have been the Sexson of his Mariner years or anything… but TC???? Sheesh. I’m really irritated with management right now.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't Sexson

also a huge douchebag in the locker room?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing to say to that: beggers can't be choosers...

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

we chose to choose, rather than beg.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a couple weeks we’ll be begging for anybody but TC’s bat.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Burke?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s not be ridiculous.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's my point.

TC is a definite bench upgrade, if nothing else.

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy as it may sound I’d rather have Burke than TC. Burke can’t hit his way out of a paper bag, but TC barely can at this stage… and at least Burke has some position flexibility. We needed a real upgrade and the FO failed to deliver.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So,

in a pinch hitter, in a fringe player, (24th or 25th roster spot) you’d take youth over any hitting ability whatsoever? When this team already has the youngest position players in the majors and one of the worst offenses?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’d take Sexson… or even Barry. That’s what I’ve been trying to say all along.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been advocating for the FO to get Bonds

for awhile.

But the debate at hand is between Tony Clark and Chris Burke, and in my mind, it’s just about a no-brainer.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Bonds too! And after looking at Sexton’s BA vs lefties (.344), I think he would have made a great platoon-mate for Tracy.

But I think the D-Backs already have the players they need to win, they just need to take their mistakes in stride and learn to play consistently.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also noted

That his BABIP is .364, unsustainable – his career BABIP is .293, so you’d be foolish to expect more than .260 from him going forward. Also, if he had any value at all, don’t you think the Mariners would have held onto him?

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

No… the debate at hand (look at my first post above) was that SEXSON was a better acquisition than TC. You threw out the Chris Burke thing and I bit, but believe me, I’m not wringing my hands that TC is taking Burke’s roster spot (sigh… whatever) even if I slightly disagree with that. What I’m frustrated about was the deal that wasn’t and should have been done.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if that is true,

then why would you want to go on and on talking about Chris Burke when the debate we’re really interested in is Richie Sexson vs. Tony Clark? To involve Chris Burke in that debate seems like using him as a bit of a straw man….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey Skins

read the line of comments above… it was YOU who brought up Burke, not me. I made two comments about your statement, 3 sentences total. I wasn’t going “on and on.”

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now

you don’t even want to talk about the topic at hand, you’re just going to attack me ad hominem? Really, John, I resent these persistent attempts of yours to distract me from the Sexson-Clark debate.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

now I’m just confused. If you have anything of substance to say about Sexson vs. Clark I’m all ears.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I can’t really keep a straight face anymore anyway. I was wondering how long I’d be able to go with that.

;-)

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

;-)
game over.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also have some hope that Clark can help the young D-Backs play better, or at least play with fewer mistakes. The team lost some key part of their leadership during the offseason and I’m hoping that he’s the missing piece.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

but, but...

wasn’t someone else suppose to step up and provide that?

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was the plan, but it’s not working the way that I’d hoped.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Orlando Hudson

is at least showing them leadership in how to lose millions of dollars in free agency money by debunking your defensive reputation?

Or were you referring to our $30 million subsidy to the illicit marijuana trade?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or were you referring to our $30 million subsidy to the illicit marijuana trade?

+1
I literally LOL’ed. :-)

So, I think this game is somewhere on the East Coast, and I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that this time it counts. What it counts for, I'm still not sure. Also, there are some pretty good players in this one. Some of the best, I think.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 17, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 30 million dollar

subsidy….

(good one!)
+1

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

"provide leadership" "play with fewer mistakes"

that’s exactly why I’d love to have TC as a coach… but not a player.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. If Clark was a coach, I’d be thrilled. But I’m hopeful that he’ll help the young D-Backs this year, even if it’s just as a wise old bench player.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this is repeating my previous post,

but what makes you think that Sexson would have wanted to sign with us given:

a – his past negative history here
b – the obvious understanding that most of the fans here hate him
c – it’s the NL and there’s only one spot for him to play and two first basemen already on the roster
d – the Yankees wanted to sign him

I think had the Diamondbacks acquired him it would have turned into the BK Kim waiver wire pick up v. 2.0.

by dahlian on Jul 17, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few reasons:
1) We have a better chance of making the playoffs
2) You think we have a logjam at 1B? The Yankees are worse: Giambi, Betemit, and Duncan.
3) He has a better chance to win the starting job at 1B outright.
4) I don’t really think many fans here hate Richie. Even most hard core fans don’t hate Richie… they hate the deal that sent him here… and they hate the circumstances of his injury.
5) Richie’s personality seems much better suited for AZ than NYC (hello boo-bird magnet).

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

1) We may have

a better chance of making the playoffs, but the Yankees are a better team and are still the most storied franchise in the history of baseball. Hell, if I was a fringe player on the downside of my career I’d pick the Yankees over the Diamondbacks just to see what all the hooplah is about. Baseball players want to play for winners, not .500 ball clubs that may barely squeak into the postseason on account of playing in the worst division in baseball. Nobody’s going to go out of their way to play for this team unless they’re also looking to get some work in on their golf game.

2,3)There’s no way Sexson is going to win the starting job outright. If that’s what he’s hoping for then I’m glad he’s looking elsewhere. Also, Tracy and CJ are flat out better players than Wilson and Betemit.

4) It may not be rational for the fans here to hate Richie (As usual, I blame Joe Jr.), but I think you underestimate how synonymous Sexson is with that 108 loss team. To those fans Sexson was a bum that didn’t produce, got injured and then left to go cash checks elsewhere leaving the team that traded their entire starting infield to get him in the lurch. If the fans still held a grudge against BK, they’ll hold one for Sexson.

by dahlian on Jul 17, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two thoughts.

Firstly, in response to John’s #2, um… the Yankees also have a DH spot to fill. Secondly, dahlian, you of all people should know that we lost 111 games that year, not 108.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

IAWTC

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as it results

In the departure of Burke, Romero or Bonifacio from the roster, it will be addition by subtraction.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I was wondering who would we send back down?

I am sure it will be either Romero or Bonifacio. I hope TC doesn’t take too many at bats from Tracy or CoJack.

by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 17, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Send 'em both down.

Bring up the winner of the Triple-A Home Run Derby—Jamie D’Antona.

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

He ain’t going to take them from Chris Young… :-( More’s the pity, probably.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could

You could put Upton in center, Jackson in left, Tracy in right, and Clark at 1st.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking about that.

Using Upton in CF to give CY some time to get his swing back. Didn’t the Dbacks at first switch Upton from SS to CF?

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Yes and no. He played nearly all of his minor league games in CF, but judging from the comments in this thread, they don’t count because they weren’t in AAA.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, quit being so argumentative.

Nobody said that Scribner’s year “doesn’t count”, just that you made it sound more impressive than it really was by neglecting to mention the fact that he’s pitched fewer than 10 innings in high-A ball. You HONESTLY don’t see what’s wrong with this picture??

It’s like me saying that I’d make a great MLB prospect because I batted over .600 in Little League.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does the FO know about that? Cuz you might be just the player they’re looking for!

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now way

He’s not old enough and probably plays defense too well.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

at 5’6, I don’t quite have the range of a Tony Clark….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, on the other hand,

batted over .600 in little league, played 1b and pitched, AND I’m closer to the range of Tony Clark than ‘Skins.

Just sayin.
:-)

So, I think this game is somewhere on the East Coast, and I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that this time it counts. What it counts for, I'm still not sure. Also, there are some pretty good players in this one. Some of the best, I think.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

I was a player-manager, like Ty Cobb. So suck it.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you're racist too?

By all means hit at a glacial pace. You know how that thrills me.

by soco on Jul 18, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he didn’t get invited to play baseball in Field of Dreams.

"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"

by kishi on Jul 18, 2008 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

No....

I wasn’t born in Georgia. I was born in Virginia. Much more cosmopolitan.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true

they actually wear shoes there. Well, to church anyways.

By all means hit at a glacial pace. You know how that thrills me.

by soco on Jul 18, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Northern Virginia?

NoVA? That’s practically DC. I mean, heck, that explains my Redskins obsession….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 19, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Jersey

is practically New York.

Knock off the hippie crap, strap on a helmet, and start shooting. This is baseball, Diamondbacks, I want you to storm that beach like it's Normandy!

by soco on Jul 20, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've never

been to NoVA, have you, soco?

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 21, 2008 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm like a white Emilio Bonifacio.

Superfast little guy with no power.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The outfield from hell

That would be worse than Gonzo in left, Cruz in Cf and Green in RF

by shoewizard on Jul 17, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling...

Romero is going to be DFA.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why DFA a guy with options?

He might be sent back down, but he won’t be DFA’d Maybe you meant optioned?

by shoewizard on Jul 17, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too fast on the clicky

Anyway… you have to make room on the 25 man and 40 man rosters, unless Byrnes is getting moved to the 60 day DL.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have room on the 40 man

And all they have to do is option either Romero or Bonifacio to Tucson. They don’t have to DFA anyone.

by shoewizard on Jul 17, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heck, I forgot Bonifacio was even on the roster

And he would make sense, being an infielder. But, I think he has fewer options…

Any chance we’ll trade Burke too?? :(

by snakecharmer on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't matter

once a player on the forty man roster is “optioned” to the minors for that season, that option year has been used up. Each player has three options years before they must be placed on waivers, but the number of times that a player is sent up and down within a single season has no bearing on the number of options used up.

linky.

by dahlian on Jul 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

I’ve never been sure how the whole options/waver thing worked.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 18, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

thanks a lot for clarifying that.

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Evan Scribner

That’s who is reportedly going. He’s a young strikeout machine that doesn’t walk people. Yeah, I hate having those in my organization.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Doh!

that was close! Glad we could dump him before any damage was done…

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

OTOH,

one has to marvel at the Padres’ FO, thinking they need still MORE pitching over more hitting…. even as fantastic an offense as they have.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter

They just got a nice young player for what amounts to nothing.

Trades like this seem to come around. You watch, Scribner is going to get called up in a year or two and will be the Padres’ closer for 15 years.

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

I like this trade for the Padres—since their season didn’t go as planned, signing TC in the offseason ended up being a nice investment in the future.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link

In fairness to the FO, he’s pitched fewer than 10 innings in high-A ball so far….

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by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay

a little bit of leeway on this, but not much!

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does that matter?

Jarrod Parker hasn’t pitched above A yet. Should we spin him off for Craig Counsell?

Fire Bob Melvin

by nihil67 on Jul 17, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh god,

DO NOT GIVE THE FRONT OFFICE IDEAS!

Stop it!

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Craig Counsell

doesn’t help the team much in the short term. We need corner bats, not middle infielders.

And of COURSE it matters. Bragging that he’s a “young strikeout machine who doesn’t walk people” isn’t quite as impressive when it’s a guy who’s only played 5 games in Visalia so far as when—say, it’s a guy who’s spent the whole year in the PCL.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

a sack of peanuts for TC would have been too much.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enhance your calm

He’s a twenty-eighth round pick with less a hundred pro innings under his belt. If the Padres really wanted him, they had twenty-seven chances to do so last year.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 17, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe waaayyyy out in Left Field, but

does anyone think this move was done ‘for the fans’ again?

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

If this is the case, how stupid does the FO think we are?

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I watch and enjoy The Eric Byrnes Show (yeah, I know); so maybe I shouldn’t get involved in this topic….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 17, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were 6 episodes on today..

I couldn’t make myself watch.

I’m bored, but not that bored…

So, I think this game is somewhere on the East Coast, and I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that this time it counts. What it counts for, I'm still not sure. Also, there are some pretty good players in this one. Some of the best, I think.

by emilylovesthedbacks on Jul 17, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullpen

I don’t mind this trade, but am thinking we need some bullpen help too.

by Bcawz on Jul 17, 2008 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I just find it funny

That people will boycott the team when making a great move (talking about signing Bonds) and not get as worked up when they make a terrible move like this one.

Seriously, I have never been so let down by this front office, there were plenty of other options out their to help us improve this offense and we chose one of the dumbest.

I guess this will bring back the leadership that was much needed in the club house.  I mean a lot of the other guys look up to him and somehow that will improve their on base percentage because we all know that worked out so well last year.[/sarcasm]

Yeah we actually have a higher team OBP this year then last. The need for veteran leadership is a cop out (a false one as well) for shitty players.

by dbacksfan01 on Jul 17, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Ummm...

I had more to that text in quote, I think it did that because I had a sarcasm tag around it. well here is the rest of it.

I mean a lot of the other guys look up to him and somehow that will improve their on base percentage because we all know that worked out so well last year.

by dbacksfan01 on Jul 17, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the FO doesn't think this trade

will be the fix we need to win the West. Not with Young and Upton batting as bad as they are. I think Young is the most frustrating to me because he is suppose to have so much talent but is hitting .220. Upton is still very young and really shouldn’t be here at this point in his career. Someone needs to show Young some film of his swing and help him change his approach at the plate.

by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 17, 2008 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Padre's Take

Paul DePodesta just posted the Padre’s perspective on this trade here.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Apostrophe Abuse

Dangit, I meant Padres’!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Curveball

I was talking to Levski. He mentioned to me earlier today that a lot of times guys coming out of college with a good curve dominate and K a lot of hitters at the lower levels of the minors, so you have to look at those K rates with at least a cautious eye and don’t immediately assume they will translate at the higher levels.

by shoewizard on Jul 17, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't

tell Ben….

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

But what does Gas Lamp Ball think of it?

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Jul 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They still

have a blog?

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 17, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure about Gas Lamp ball, but I really like DePodesta’s blog for San Diego info. I wish someone in the D-Backs front office would do the same thing.

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe this is the first volley?

I think the FO might be getting ready for something else. TC on the bench and Tracy (or Reynolds or D’Antona or more) for Xavier Nady. I know they are interested in Nady and that might clear the “logjam” at the corners. Not sure I like it as a whole, but that would make some sense. More than picking up another 1st baseman…

by Louchart45 on Jul 17, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I would be interested to see what else is coming, but it would be a shame to get rid of Reynolds. He’s one of the D-Backs most promising young players and I would hate to get rid of him before we see what he can do.

Remember the lesson of Metcalf! Carlos Quentin!

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+100

That’s for The Tick reference.

"Evil lurks everywhere, often in plain sight... Can you lurk in plain sight? Or is that just walking?"

by kishi on Jul 17, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why, thank you

"We...probed them all the way through. They're completely meat." — Terry Bisson

by Scrbl on Jul 17, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's

the biggest power threat on the team right now. There’s NO WAY we get rid of Reynolds, unless we can get something back that’s pretty spectacular.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

here’s to hoping.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

here’s to hoping.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reynolds isn't going anywhere unless it is for

David Wright or someone like that. I would take that trade.

by DiamondbacksWIn on Jul 18, 2008 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm....

yeah, I’d definitely take that.

But could David Wright turn me gay?

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most of the criticism here

is extremely knee jerk.

This has the potential to be good or bad depending on how Clark is used. One of the biggest needs for this team is a late bat of the bench and Clark still can provide that. There just aren’t that many ways to improve this team without giving up a core player. Clark can provide improvement around the margins while also being a good clubhouse presence. I know that it’s easy to mock that last aspect, but when it comes down to the last guy on the bench there’s no reason not to factor it in.

Is this going to single-handedly turn around the Diamondbacks season? Of course not, but it’s better the continually running Burke out there as a pinch hitter and it also improves the team without doing anything dramatic and long-term damaging like trading for Bay.

Do I wish the team would sign Bonds, yes, but that collusive ship has sailed. And as for Sexson, are you guys smoking crack? Not only is his bat slower than Clark’s but he’s going to bring just about as much negative baggage with him to this team as Bonds is only without the talent to make up for it. And do you think he would even want to sign with us? It would take his agent about five minutes of googling to realize how much Arizona fans hate him. After his first 0-4 night he’ll be (unfairly) booed mercilessly. You may not like it, or think it rational, but unless Richie has a Fukudome-like first week the boo-birds and the countdown to Sexson’s release would definitely become a story.

Obviously, those are all hypotheticals, but in my experience with the local fans and media, likely ones. They also make you wonder why the hell Sexson would sign for this under .500 team with bad history when the Yankees are also after you?

by dahlian on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

See above. I couldn’t disagree more.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on Jul 17, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm apathetic

I don’t think this affects the Diamondbacks for good or bad. I would hope that the FO can pull of something more than merely get back Tony Clark, which feels more like a stunt to appease people than to actually do any good.

One thing I think they should consider (and I apologize to who ever first suggested this) putting Mark Reynolds in right field a little and see how he does. He’s too potent of a hitter to sit out, and Upton could use some more seasoning, so it could give us a better lineup than bringing out Barf, err I mean Burke.

By all means hit at a glacial pace. You know how that thrills me.

by soco on Jul 17, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

I explored my thinking in the other thread but for the record here I don’t have any problems with this deal, we haven’t given up anything (in the short to middle term) and we have someone who can hopefully act as a slump stomper in the short term and a role model that has a positive impact in the long term.

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on Jul 18, 2008 3:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Meh.

Obviously I’ve been quite busy as I haven’t had a chance to really respond to this move. The subject of my comment is my reaction to the move, pretty much. I think every thing that was said about Clark when we let him go during the off season still applies, perhaps to a great extent. He’s old. He’s limited to one position defensively. His left handed swing has been pretty bad since his injury IIRC in 06. He can still hit LHP at a decent clip, which is hopefully all he’ll see as part of a platoon with Chad Tracy. I think this move was obviously made as an attempt to help the club house chemistry – something that I normally don’t buy in to. However, I think the chemistry of the clubhouse does affect the development of young players. Yeah, we do have some legitimate HOF veteran presence in Randy Johnson, but I don’t think that does much for the position players. I would think it’d be much easier for a guy like Justin Upton to find a mentor in a position player like Tony Clark rather than an intimidating hall of fame pitcher like Randy.

Now, to look at what we gave up: 123 strike outs to just 24 walks in 91.1 IP, with a 2.27 ERA and a 1.03 WHIP. For a 22 year old pitcher splitting time between Rookie, A, and A+ ball. Of course, I have no idea what kind of stuff the guy has, but i wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes a quality middle reliever or closer

Dear Josh Byrnes: Please DFA Chris Burke. Give D'antona a chance. Trade for someone that actually knows how to hit.

by C. Wesley Baier on Jul 18, 2008 5:34 AM EDT reply actions  

From the aether

I heard that he featured a 90 MPH fast ball and a big looping curveball. It would make sense considering his insane go/ao rates.(rates that would be ideal for Petco but a death sentence in Chase).

All in all, he may turn into a decent middle reliever in the Heath Bell mould, but I won’t be shedding any tears over his loss.

by dahlian on Jul 18, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bickley Online (fwiw)

I know, it isn’t about the cubbies, so can he really write a decent piece about the dbacks?

Bickley Online
Desperate Diamondbacks

Many believe the Diamondbacks’ acquisition of Tony Clark is also an admission of guilt. As in, they messed up in letting the Zen master of the 2007 clubhouse leave for San Diego in the first place.

Not true. Clark was hitting .239 with one home run and 11 RBI with the Padres. That’s nothing to be missed.

What is true is that the Diamondbacks front office may have miscalculated the growth curve of some of their young players. Their belief that the core of this team would mature and ripen was the main reason they didn’t pursue a big bat to anchor the lineup in the offseason. It was how they rationalized that quirky statistic from last year, how the Diamondbacks won their division while getting outscored by their opponents.

At the beginning of the year, when the Diamondbacks were a tour de force, it appeared the judgment of General Manager Josh Byrnes was nothing short of brilliant. Now that the team is struggling to stay over. 500, dealing with injuries and grasping for an identity, it’s beginning to look like a bad mistake.

Either way, credit the Diamondbacks for soothing over a relationship gone sour (remember how Clark was incensed with the organization’s negotiating tactics following last season?). And credit Byrnes for swallowing his pride and addressing a big need.

Maybe the heavy role and the familiar surroundings of Chase Field will rekindle the Tony Clark magic, and ignite a fire under this sagging team.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 18, 2008 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with that to an extent

I really think TC will light a fire under the guys. I’m excited for the second half

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Jul 18, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether or not he's right,

I still hate Dickley.

Mark Reynolds: back to turning me gay.

by DbacksSkins on Jul 18, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

He’s a clown of the worst order… I’ve never forgiven him for his treatment of the Dbacks and their fans in 2004 on his show.

Yeah, that was the season from hell, but heaven forbid we here in ARIZONA care enough to still want to talk about OUR team.

"It's like deja vu all over again."

by unnamedDBacksfan on Jul 18, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes no sense

Though a lack of logic is a regular feature in Bickley’s output. In one paragraph, he says “There’s nothing to be missed,” based upon Clark’s performance this season. But he also credits Josh Byrnes, “for swallowing his pride and addressing a big need” – presumably the “big bat to anchor the lineup,” he speaks about earlier. Which is it?

In addition, if he thinks Clark will be “anchoring the line-up,” I strongly suspect [and fervently hope] that he is wildly mistaken. He’ll get the odd start at first against left-handed pitching – and there’s not one of those in our immediate future.

by Jim McLennan on Jul 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

can this be the end of chris burke as a pinch hitter, please?

or a starter for that matter

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The first is never get involved in a land war in Asia. The second, only slightly less well known, is this: never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha --

by utahdbacksfan on Jul 18, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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