Gameday Thread, #65: 6/10 vs. Mets
Arizona Diamondbacks @ New York Mets
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Into Shea we go, and was should be an interesting series. The opener is a Big Apple remake of the game on May 2 in Arizona, where New York came out on top 7-2. Micah got tagged with the loss, and we'll be hoping for better today, especially after his last outing, which saw him tagged for eight hits in three innings. Be nice if he can get a few hits - he has managed just one in the past month, with nine strikeouts in 16 at-bats - but that is really secondary to a quality start.
Anything less, and on current form, our offense will not be going anywhere. This month, we have hit just .208, with particularly poor performances there from Upton (.105), Hudson (.143) and Snyder (.190). All three have had poor BABIP figures, however, so some rebound seem inevitable. But will we ever get more than eight hits in a game again? There was a spell early in the year [April 4-13, to be specific] where we did that nine games in a row - it's been two weeks since the last time we managed it.
With Webb going tomorrow, a victory would set us up in good shape to take the series. We'll see. Oh, and I did a quick Q+A for Take the 7 Train, which can be found here. Will be lurking, then not here, and finally at home and in full effect. Commenting from this end will therefore be sporadic. I'm sure there will be people about though...
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Evening all
My last GDT for a while and pleaaaase let it end with a win :)
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 6:25 PM EDT
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Last for a while?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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Download Music Festival
In Donnington :) so off to that tomorrow, wont be back until Monday
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 6:35 PM EDT
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Well, enjoy!
I hope we can send you off with a win, too.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 6:46 PM EDT
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Today's lineup
- C. Young cf .240
- S. Drew ss .265
- O. Hudson 2b .288
- C. Jackson 1b .301
- M. Reynolds 3b .259
- C. Snyder c .250
- J. Upton rf .260
- J. Salazar lf .243
- M. Owings p .275
Looks like the best possible offensive linep we can muster. I’m optimistic today might be the data we get as many as nine hits… :-)
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Looking back at the schedule our slide seems to have started when the Mets came to town and took 2 of 3 and with a few exceptions after that (sweep of CO and splits of three 4-game series) it has been pretty dismal ever since. Here’s hoping we can take advantage of any breaks, play good defense and hit with RISP! Go Diamondbacks!
by TwinnerA on
Jun 10, 2008 7:03 PM EDT
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The Mets always win at Chase,
and I believe in our history we’re 18-17 at Shea, so it balances out.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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let's get some runs
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Dreeeeewww
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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Drew with a base hit
Let’s have lots of those tonight.
by luckycc on
Jun 10, 2008 7:14 PM EDT
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And one of these
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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Excellent
An excellent start to this series. Let’s keep this up!
by bcloirao on
Jun 10, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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Hmmmm....
Good start, anyway; strikeouts suck, though.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:24 PM EDT
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Oh, well...
Can’t help feeling we should have got more, but two hits per inning for the rest of the day would be fine…
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:25 PM EDT
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Pitch Count
At least Maine had to throw a lot of pitches. Keep that going and get into the bullpen early.
by bcloirao on
Jun 10, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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Damn you Reyes
too quick
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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He's annoying.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:29 PM EDT
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Holy crap!
We threw someone out?? Bye-bye Reyes. :-D
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
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So, which scenario has a higher win expectancy?
A runner at 1st with no outs, or a runner at 1st with one out? ;-)
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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oh yes!
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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Nice job by Micah and Snydes to get Reyes stealing!
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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Crime doesn't pay
Unless you are the White Sox who have got away with highway robbery :(
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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Another double play ball to CJ that he eats and goes to 1st with.
Sheesh!
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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every pitch that Micah throws for the rest of the 1st is unnecessary.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
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Sigh
And to nobody’s surprise, foulpole completely ignores the go-ahead RBI Jackson was responsible for in the first inning.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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I wasn’t logged on when he hit the single.
Nice ribby CJ! Shitty three runs given up after that.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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Two hits and a run post double play ball.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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No mention
Of the infield hit to second then?
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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Those two plays were nowhere close to the same thing.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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Good effort from Drew
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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Damn. Tie game.
::sigh:: I hate this team sometimes….
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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3-1, Mets.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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oh for gods sake
:(
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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Now J-Up allows Delgado a free base on the bobble. Hang this inning on poor D, Again!
Sheesh!
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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Baseball is not binary.
Hang this inning on bad luck, a couple suboptimal defensive plays, and Owings’ inability to put batters away.
by dahlian on
Jun 10, 2008 7:40 PM EDT
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8 errors?
this year for upton? geez
by CPAYNEonaplane on
Jun 10, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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I would call all three of those Mets’ runs “unearned. “
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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Which is odd,
for someone that speaks so highly of errors and unearned runs as a statistic.
by dahlian on
Jun 10, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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I think
Allowing four hits and two walks in an inning to seven batters faced is the real problem here, not a bobble or a hypothetical double-play.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
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Solid D and we are out of that inning after three batters. Micah could have done better but he should not have even been facing those hitters in the 1st. It’s pretty rare that a pitcher throw a perfect game.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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And they score at least one run
if those hits and walks all come in the NEXT inning, too.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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I guess
Throwing out the top base-stealer in the National League counts for nothing as far as D goes? Like I said, Owings retired ONE of the first seven hitters he faced. That’s what’s responsible for the 3-1 score, much though you want to keep blaming the same players for everything.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:54 PM EDT
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So
I’m still waiting for your answer as to why the three best fielding percentage teams in the NL have the three worst records.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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My guess would be poor pitching and hitting. But I haven’t looked into it.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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Or that those stats are relatively meaningless when it comes to wins or losses
by Augie's Army on
Jun 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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The most important stat that there is is wins and losses.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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I think he means
and not to put words in his mouth, that there isn’t necessarily a correlation. In the end, yes, all that matters is that you win or lose.
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
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When the dust settles, the only stat that really matters is wins and losses.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Well, yeah
but that’s not what he’s saying.
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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Which... fielding % seems to have nothing to do with.....
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:20 PM EDT
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Exactly
Hitting and pitching are FAR more responsible for wins and losses than errors and unearned runs.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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Top 5 teams by OPS
Texas (32-33)
Chicago Cubs (40-24)
Boston (40-26)
Philadelphia (39-26)
Florida (34-29)
Top 5 teams by ERA
Chicago White Sox (37-26)
Oakland (34-29)
Toronto (33-33)
Chicago Cubs (40-24)
Atlanta (32-32)
Top 5 teams by fielding percentage
San Diego (28-37)
Tampa Bay (38-26)
LA Angels (39-26)
Kansas City (25-39)
Washington (25-40)
Top 5 teams by Defensive efficiency
Atlanta (32-32)
Baltimore (31-31)
Chicago Cubs (40-24)
Tampa Bay (38-26)
Oakland (34-29)
One of these things is not like the other…
by dahlian on
Jun 10, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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It's also interesting to note,
that even though they’re pitching in front of the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th best defenses by fielding percentage, LAA has the 12th best team ERA, San Diego the 14th (in the best pitcher’s park), Washington is 22nd and Kansas City is the 25th in the league in team ERA.
Looking at the top 5 DER teams, Atlanta has the 5th best ERA, Baltimore 16th, Cubs 4th, Tampa Bay 8th and Oakland 2nd.
To argue that fielding percentage is a better evaluator of team defense than DER, is to argue that “defense” has virtually no effect on pitching quality.
by dahlian on
Jun 10, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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What is up with all the bobbling of balls by Upton. He just can’t seem to pick up the ball cleanly. Is that the case here?
by TwinnerA on
Jun 10, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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Can you imagine what he looked like playing ss? I never saw him play there but with all the trouble he has on those routine grounders in RF it would have to be pretty ugly. No?
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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I think
it’s a completely different position. At SS, you just react and act quickly without thinking about it—you’re mostly just scooping up groundballs anyway. In the OF, you have to be more aware of how to “play” liners, adjust for bounce, etc.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Out comes Price
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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And its over
:) c’mon offence
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
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Well,
it certainly would have been nice to put a 0 on the board for them, and more than a 1 for us….
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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Welll.... at least Sally walks in front of Micah.
How big would it be here for Pwnings to tie the game?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
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Walk!
:) lets go Micah
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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What is it with this team
and bunting?
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
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And.... now Sally gets CS.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
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Schulte
thinks Sally got in under the tag, even though the throw beat him there.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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Sally looked safe to me. :-(
We got robbed.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 7:51 PM EDT
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Okay, I'm starting to move into "I hate ALL umpires" territory.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:53 PM EDT
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyouguys!
What’s going on here? What’s going—oh. This is again. Oh dear.
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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Do the truffle shuffle!!
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 7:58 PM EDT
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1. Scoring more runs than the other team.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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soco's keys to the game (not that I'll be around for any of it)
1) Get some grub
2) Go to dance lesson
3) Hopefully come back to a D’backs win
4) Dessert?
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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You've already GOTTEN married.
Why the hell would you be going to a dance lesson??
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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We like to dance?
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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To quote Cicero,
“No sane man will dance.”
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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Mad dogs and Englishmen...
And Scotsmen too…
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 8:05 PM EDT
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It's a good thing I care what he thinks
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 8:08 PM EDT
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True.
He IS dead, after all.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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And certainly not dancing
I, however, am alive. Therefore, dancing is good.
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
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My missus
Wants to learn the tango.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 8:04 PM EDT
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5-1, Wright HR.
What a shocker: we’re going to lose AGAIN!
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:00 PM EDT
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TOTALLY Jackson's fault
If Micah hadn’t been so tired with all those unnecessary pitches in the first [never mind the walks and the four hits he allowed], he would never have allowed the homer.
I would call all of those Mets’ runs "unearned. "
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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I call them "Frank"
"D'backs" means seatbelts! "D'backs" means crash positions!
by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Just don't call 'em
late for dinner.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:03 PM EDT
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Surprise!
Ah bloo bloo bloo.
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by soco on
Jun 10, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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In MY face.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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Note: DbacksSkins is not a prophet.
Currently blaming the D-backs struggles on: this pain in all the diodes down my left side.
by kishi on
Jun 10, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
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The Mets always win at Chase,
and I believe in our history we’re 18-17 at Shea, so it balances out.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on Jun 10, 2008 4:09 PM MST
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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Ouch! That sucks! :-(
Micah serves up the hanging breaking ball for the two run bomb.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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I've lost the will to live
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
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Me too. Someone please stop me from holding my breath like a 3 year old.
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Jun 10, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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Indeed
On this note Im off to a rock festival where i can mosh and scream and shout, maybe then i can get rid of the frustration built up from watching this side :)
Have a good week all :) take care!
So...time for another drink then?
by Wimb on
Jun 10, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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enjoy yourself
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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Umpire
I don’t know if you can hear it on TV, but the home plate umpire is going for the “primal scream technique” every time he calls a strike.
I’ve always wondered how hard rock singers and very ambitiously loud umpires don’t lose their voces a whole lot. How is that even humanly possible?
by bcloirao on
Jun 10, 2008 8:09 PM EDT
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Training
Gargling with lemon juice helps, I believe.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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It startled my cat
she meowed back a few times then lost interest
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 8:10 PM EDT
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He leaves no doubt what the call is. That’s for sure.
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Jun 10, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
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Reynolds just missed a three run bomb. :-(
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Jun 10, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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Fancy that. Reynolds with a deep drive that JUST barely twists foul.
Figures, these days.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:14 PM EDT
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I have the Mets’ feed today and they have Tom Seaver in the booth as a guest. This is a treat.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
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J-Up with another K looking? This seems to be happening a lot lately. :-(
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Jun 10, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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You don't say
:-)
I’m off home. I probably won’t even bother listening to the radio on the way…
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
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my guts are now a churning pit of acid
like something from an old Hammer horror movie
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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Have a White Russian and settle in for the game. :-)
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
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I'm lactose intolerant!
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 9:31 PM EDT
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Bummer. So you can’t have ice cream either?
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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My dad and my brother are, too.
And they still eat pizza like it’s their business.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Great range by J-Up on the Wright drive!
Sweet!
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Jun 10, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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Would rather be working
than suffering through ANOTHER debacle.
Maybe they really do miss EB22….
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
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Jun 10, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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Pitch count through 4:
Maine 83
Micah 78
It looks like both teams will be calling on the bullpen early in this game.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Difference is,
Mets can score. We can’t.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
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Micah with a solid lead off single to start our 5th!
Sweet!
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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And.... another HR from O-Dawg!
And another $1 million in Free Agency!
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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O-Dawg with the two run looong BOMB!
Sweet!!!
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Jun 10, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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I don't know if it's worse
having a bit of hope like this
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
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Yeah
At least last year, ALL our losses seemed to be blowouts…. (Hence the – run diff)
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
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The drama of close ball games is priceless.
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Jun 10, 2008 8:51 PM EDT
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Great play by O-Dawg but CJ couldn’t hang on to it. :-(
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Jun 10, 2008 8:47 PM EDT
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The radio guys are LIVID because they say CoJack retained control and made the catch....
The ball only fell out because CoJack was lifting it to show it to the ump—but he had already gotten control, meaning the batter already should have been out.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
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Jun 10, 2008 8:49 PM EDT
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I think the ump made the right call.
CoJack had it in his glove for a second or so, but it was sno-coned. At that point, CoJack was in such a precarious position that it seemed like he had to go for the exchange to keep his balance, but it came out of the glove.
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Now they claim CoJack dropped the ball....
And BoMel is furious… of course, the Mets scored it a single….
UGH!! THE UMPIRES ARE SCREWING US AGAIN!!
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
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CAR!
Micah’s done after hitting Alou in the wallet.
Here comes Cruz.
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4.1 IP, 8 H, 3 BB, 2 K, 1 HR
That’s most definitely not one for the scrap book.
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It's encouraging to finally see BoMel
be proactive and risk pulling his starter one batter too early rather than leave him in for one too many.
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Well,
that would certainly be an improvement.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
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Nice PA and lead off bb for Reynolds!
Sweet!
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Jun 10, 2008 9:06 PM EDT
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dear justin upton
this would be a good time to bust out of a slump
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That sure was loud off of his hand. I hope that it got mostly the bottom of the bat and he didn’t break anything.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 9:13 PM EDT
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On the Mets’ feed they keep talking about a rainy front that is moving towards the ball park.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
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Nice hustle by Sally. He almost beat that one out.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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Augie with the game tying, two run, ribby single!
Sweet!!!
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Goes to 2nd on the throw. That’ll work!
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Jun 10, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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wow, there might be something to this “OBP” thing afterall!
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OY, OY, OY
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
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Apparently the cheeseburger is the answer
Leave to run to In ‘N Out, come back with cheeseburger just in time to see Augie snag the RBI.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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Guess where you’re headed in the top of the 7th.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
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And if this goes extra innings
You might want to have an ambulance on stand-by, because you are in for a long night…
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It’s time for another cheeseburger run. Get on it! Hurry, before the rain comes.
;-)
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Jun 10, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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In N Out
is definitely an acceptable place to be if you have to miss a Dbacks game.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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It sounds like this rainy system is just a few miles away from the park now. :-(
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Just noticed that Young is batting leadoff.
What the hell happened to Drew in that spot?
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Jun 10, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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Ah, the sweet mystery of BoMel's fu
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:29 PM EDT
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Does he really expect these guys to hit, when they are moved up and down the lineup every other day?
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Jun 10, 2008 9:30 PM EDT
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God, I hope so.
If they want to fancy themselves “Major League Ballplayers”, then it should take more to throw them off their game than what spot in the lineup they’re hitting in.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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It's all psychological.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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90 percent of the game is half mental.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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Which is way you need to have a consistent lineup, so guys can have the same mindset when going into the game.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Dunno it really matters
After the first inning. Your mindset should be dictated by the game situation, not the spot in the order.
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That "same mindset"
lasts for all of three at bats.
You’ll have to forgive me if I fail to see why it’s so important.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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Just as a sidelight
I just looked at Pujols’ career splits:
Batting third = .334
Batting fourth = .323
Batting 5th or 6th = .326
[combined the last two to get a more meaningful number of AB]
Same with Todd Helton:
Batting third = .330
Batting fourth = .335
Batting 5th or 6th = .329
If you can hit, you can hit anywhere.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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You saying that the players on this team are as good as Pujols and Helton?
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Jun 10, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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No
Just that good hitters can hit anywhere in the lineup. If you’ve got enough at-bats to have meaningful numbers in a variety of spots, you’re going to be pretty good.
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These young are not consistent hitters like these two,
which is why I say they need to stay in a certain spot.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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How would that help?
I’m not convinced Mark Reynolds would strike out less, simply because he’s in the same spot.
I do believe there is a large psychological component to hitting, but I don’t think batting order plays much part in that.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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And I do think batting order does.
And there’s no way to prove this theory.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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True
If you could explain the logic though, I’d be more open to the suggestion. Especially since I check two random players and find no real difference. You could take almost anyone – Orlando Hudson say – and I suspect you’d find the differences in BA are largely attributable to a difference in BABIP, and so mostly random.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
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If you are arguing the batting order based on stats, wouldn’t it be more relevant to use the D-backs’ player’s numbers?
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Jun 10, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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Not enough history.
Not enough meaningful ABs.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
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Doesn't mean that it's irrelevant.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 11, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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There comes a point when "psychology"
simply because an excuse for ballplayers to sulk and throw hissy fits.
Some of these “psychology” arguments have merit: there’s something to be said for having a somewhat predictable bullpen pattern so guys know when to start getting loose. Similarly, I think that it can be really tough to be a bench player who gets only one start a week.
But I draw the line at player’s needing to have a consistent line up spot. Their job is to hit. No matter what lineup spot they occupy their goal should be to look at the bad pitches and swing at the good pitches. At any point in the game, any spot in the lineup can be a “lead off hitter” or “clean up hitter” or a “run producer”. It the players on your team don’t feel this way, then the manager needs to tell them to grow up and deal with it.
In the same way, I think that any closer that gets butthurt about pitching in a tie game or other non-save situation needs to grow up and realize that his job his “pitcher”. He serves at the pleasure of the manager and when his number is called his one and only job is to get outs.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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So, you are saying that we suck at hitting.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Pretty much an accurate summary
Back in April, who cared what the lineup was? Now, however, it’s – to quote shoe – like re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Maybe when he comes back
We should put Byrnes in the leadoff spot. That way we can get him out of the way early.
Don't blink; blink and you're dead. Don't turn your back, don't look away, and don't blink. Good luck!
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Jun 10, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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When he's not injured
I actually like Byrnes as a lead off hitter.
From what I’ve seen of him, he does tailor his approach to the lead off spot. He tends to take more pitches and he focuses more on getting on base than swinging for the fences.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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BoMel finally realized
that Drew was the only player on the team that had a lower OBP than Young and a higher SLG than him as well. For all the miscasting of Young’s as a lead off hitter, Drew is an even worse fit.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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I just think that Young would be better batting 4th and not leading off.
Leaving Drew as the only guy, who can manage leading off.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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What is about Drew that makes him able to "manage leading off"
He has a .307 OBP this year and a .313 OBP last year.
If I’m not mistaken, the most important skill required of being a lead off hitter is an ability to get on base.
The only players with a higher slugging percentage than Drew are Reynolds and Jackson. That would seem to be as bad of a combination as there is for a lead off hitter.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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I would rather have Drew 1st and Young 4th instead of Young 1st and Drew 2nd.
We will probably never know which offense would produce better.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Why?
I’m serious, why?
What is it about Drew that makes you think he would be a good fit for lead off?
Make up a list of “ideal lead off hitter traits”; how many of those does Drew actually have? If we go by The Book, Drew would be a nearly ideal number four hitter as a low-OBP slugger.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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We don't have a ideal lead off hitter.
I put Drew at leadoff, because that’s the only spot left him in my lineup.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
by srdmad on
Jun 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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Then
why are you so adamant about him starting there?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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Because it's the only spot for him.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
by srdmad on
Jun 10, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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I think he would be batter batting cleanup.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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Why?
Why wouldn’t a hitter with better contact skills and even more slugging be an even better fit hitting clean up?
Also, since 2007 Drew has 8 GIDP and Young has 16. The ability to not hit into two outs also seems like a good quality in a clean up hitter.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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Drew's contact skills
would also be huge when it comes to driving in runners from third with less than two outs.
Young’s strikeouts, not so much.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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Young's strikeouts prevent him from being the perfect leadoff man.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:22 PM EDT
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With no one base,
I don’t think there’s much difference between a ground out and a strike out. Even if it is a flaw, it’s nowhere close to being as big a flaw as a .311 OBP percentage the last two years. Young’s strikeouts would make him an even worse fit for the middle of the order where as I said, contact can be of the utmost importance when it comes to driving in runners from third.
Also, Drew’s ability to hit for contact and power while avoiding the double play is a really valuable skill for a run producer to have.
I really think that you’re getting caught up in the trap of focusing too much on what a player can’t do than fully appreciating them for what they can do.
by dahlian on
Jun 10, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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What can Young do?
Run and hit. His homeruns would produce more RBI’s with him batting cleanup.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
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If Young came up to bat in the 1st inning, guys would be on base.
If he comes up to bat in the 2nd inning, he would be leading off.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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Why not a spot that's less important,
like 6th or 7th? Since his OBP isn’t particularly good…. which is THE most important trait for a leadoff hitter.
By putting Drew leadoff because it’s “the only spot for him”, you’re basically saying that leadoff isn’t a very important spot in the batting order. To me, you’d want to fill leadoff FIRST.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
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I believe that batting Young 4th would produce more runs than batting leadoff.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:19 PM EDT
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Well, this IS a pleasant surprise
I must not listen to the radio on the way home more often. Went to the supermarket, got in some kebab fixings…and here were are all tied up. Let’s see what the last couple of innings bring.
Still only six hits, I note. :-)
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I was avoiding the radio on my drive home too but eventually got curiosu turned to the game in time to hear O-Dawg’s 2-run homer.
by TwinnerA on
Jun 10, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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You need to volunteer to be lucky’s driver to the In ‘N Out. And do tune in on the radio.
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Rain delay
ooh noes
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
Jun 10, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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"Rain"?
It seems to consist rather more of hot-dog wrappers to me. :-)
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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Any news on the D-backs’ feed as to how long they expect it to last?
Nothing on the Mets’ feed.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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Nope
They just went to commercial. We’ll see what they say when they return.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
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And now
They are replaced by the Eric Byrnes show. :-(
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Jun 10, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
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I’d rather see anybody’s In His Own Words than this for the 47th time.
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Jun 10, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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Are you implying
that the Eric Byrnes show might not be the pinnacle of mankind’s achievement?
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Jun 10, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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I think they heard you
Now, Bob Melvin, In My Own Words. Hopefully this will include an explanation of why using good hitters to sacrifice bunt makes sense to him…
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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Especially hitters who have proven how good they are at bunting,
like O-Dawg.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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Fortunately, they tied it in the last inning, so it's not an official game yet.
Can we say “lucky”??
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Byrnes has a t.v. show?
I thought that was O-dawg.
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No
I think the clue is that it’s called The Eric Byrnes Show. :-) Hudson would need an entire channel. We’ve joked about this before: “Now, on Fox Sports O-Dawg, for the next six hours, it’s time for And Let Me Tell You Another Thing, with your host, Orlando Hudson…”
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Jun 10, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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You know, from Dodgeball, "ESPN8: The Ocho"?
Well this is ESPN8: The ODawg.
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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I wish O-Dog
had gotten the television show.
Imagine how different things would be if that had happened…
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Jun 10, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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They’d have to have subtitled though for O-Dawg for me. Half the time I can’t understand a word he’s saying.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
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Maybe that's where I got that thought from.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
by srdmad on
Jun 10, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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so....
i’m home from flagstaff.
what’d i miss?
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Jun 10, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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Carnage
In the first couple of innings, as the Mets pulled out to a 5-1 lead. We came back, on a two-run homer by Hudson and a two-run pinch hit knock by Augie.
Both starters gone by the end of five, and now the weather had turned nasty. I have a feeling this one might not finish until tomorrow, since it’s now 10pm there.
by Jim McLennan on
Jun 10, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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lovely.
so i’ll probably have 2 games to watch tomorrow?
woo!
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Jun 10, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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If they don’t finish tonight they will pick up from where they left off with this game sometime in the future. They don’t start them all over again after the 5th inning like they used to.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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Back from the trip, eh?
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Jun 10, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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i thought i already said that...
yes.
by emilylovesthedbacks on
Jun 10, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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NSO, right?
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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Wasn't it for New Student Orientation?
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:17 PM EDT
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Sorry for being confusing....?
I guess?
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If the game gets delayed,
the bullpen won’t have to worry about pitching in the 2nd game.
I do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
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Not looking good
They just showed footage from New York, and it’s all lightning and stuff.
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thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightning me
gallileo
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
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Guess there’s no rush to get the TV on. I managed to see O-Dawg’s home run and Augie’s RBIs when we were at dinner, though I would have liked to have gotten another run. Alas.
Currently blaming the D-backs struggles on: this pain in all the diodes down my left side.
by kishi on
Jun 10, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
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That extra run,
could have been had in the 1st.
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
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Dinner
Good idea. We’ll see what happens.
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And....
we’re back.
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by DbacksSkins on
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The MLB GameCast gave a warning,
“About to Resume”
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I'm really really glad that Slaten got that DP to end the last inning,
because it means that we didn’t have to burn Qualls to face Wright. With the rain delay, Qualls probably wouldn’t have been able to come back out for the next inning.
Alright. Whole new game, and srdmad’s favored leadoff guy, Drew, is up to leadoff the game.
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:32 PM EDT
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And strikes out on the slider.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:34 PM EDT
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Is anyone still watching the game besides foulpole and myself?
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Jun 10, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
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Yay!
That makes 3 of us!
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Jun 10, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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And me.
It's like living with a six-year old.
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Four!
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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me too
i was making toast
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That's five, at least.
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Still here
Just going back and forth between the TV in one room and the computer in the other. Plus helping to take care of my nephew. So, comments will be rare.
Currently blaming the D-backs struggles on: this pain in all the diodes down my left side.
by kishi on
Jun 10, 2008 10:49 PM EDT
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checking in
need a win for once…must see a win
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Howzabout
a CoJack HR to take the lead here?
Argh…. nope, lineout to Beltran.
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So.... let's hope we've got Good Qualls tonight,
since he has to face Wright, Beltran, and Delgado.
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Jun 10, 2008 10:41 PM EDT
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Ugh....
David Wright is too damned good.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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Strikes out there, though.
Keep it up Qualls!
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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But down he goes
Looks like Good Qualls
by luckycc on
Jun 10, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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Knock some wood, please.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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Done.
Knocking wood is about all I can do, I’m out of cheeseburgers.
by luckycc on
Jun 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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Well I'm all out of bubblegum.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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O-DAWG!!
Leaps up to snag a hit away from Beltran!
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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Uno, dos, tres.
Good Qualls. Definitely good Qualls. Nice play by Hudson to steal the hit, though.
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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Beautiful play by O-Dawg! Nice inning from Qualls, now how ‘bout some runs and a win for him?
Currently blaming the D-backs struggles on: this pain in all the diodes down my left side.
by kishi on
Jun 10, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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A solid 1-2-3 for Qualls against the meat of the Mets order.
Sweet!
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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Mark Grace, on Kirsten Dunst:
“Ooooh, she was real great in Bring It On.”
What!??
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:50 PM EDT
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SNYDES BREAKS THE TIE!!
6-5!!!!
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by DbacksSkins on
Jun 10, 2008 10:51 PM EDT
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Snyder!
Home run!
Currently blaming the D-backs struggles on: this pain in all the diodes down my left side.
by kishi on
Jun 10, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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Snydes with the go ahead, solo bomb!
Sweet!!!
by foulpole on
Jun 10, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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Woo Hoo
Dstorm enters the Pit
Snyder knocks one out of the park…..
(bows)
by dstorm on
Jun 10, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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kidding by the way
I really had nothing to do with it
by dstorm on
Jun 10, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
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