Gameday Thread, #32: 5/5 vs. Phillies
by Jim McLennan
on May 5, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
Philadelphia Phillies @ Arizona Diamondbacks
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Moyer = 556 career starts
Scherzer = 0 career starts
Has there ever been a bigger mismatch in terms of experience? Actually, that's massive hyperbole, since Moyer is actually only fourth on the list for starts by active pitchers, trailing RJ (560), Glavine (674) and Maddux (714). So, Mad Dog's game against Florida yesterday, facing Andrew Miller (20 starts), resulted in considerably more of a gulf. Stlll, let's hope this is an omen for tonight, because there, the veteran got his butt kicked, allowing eleven hits and taking the loss.
Obviously, Scherzer has an awful lot to live up to, having only posted the longest perfect debut by a major-league pitcher, in at least the past fifty years. After that, he can only really go downhill. :-) But I can't recall any debut by a Diamondbacks pitcher which has been so eagerly anticipated. Even when Brandon Webb made his first start, I don't think we expected anywhere near as much. It is likely to be a short-term stint, at least initially, with Doug Davis expected to return, hopefully by the end of the month. But call it a trailer for the 2009 season.
However, a cautionary tale is in order. Remember Johnny Cueto, who made his debut against us in Cincinnati and one-hit us for seven innings with ten strikeouts? Since then, he's 0-3 in five starts, with an ERA of 6.43... [though he's beating the Cubs as I write] One dazzling debut does not a major-league starter make. Temper those expectations: I'd be very happy to settle for Scherzer simply getting the W tonight. But swing by Augie's Army's FanPost and cast your vote for how many K's you think Mad Max will deliver.
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Today’s lineup:
C. Young cf .236
E. Byrnes lf .242
O. Hudson 2b .272
C. Jackson 1b .343
J. Upton rf .342
M. Reynolds 3b.236
C. Snyder c .243
S. Drew ss .258
M. Scherzer p .000
geez, what’s up with Max’s ba?? ;-)
by foulpole on May 5, 2008 8:28 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice to see Hudson back
But, really, at the risk of repeating myself: Byrnes in the #2 hole? What does it TAKE for Melvin to move him? 2-for-28 isn’t enough? He could go 4-for-4 tonight and his recent BA would still only be sub-Ueckerian…
by Jim McLennan on
May 5, 2008 8:34 PM EDT
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Well, we are not in the clubhouse or the training room. Maybe they know more than we do? Could there be many other issues with the roster that we don’t know?
by foulpole on
May 5, 2008 8:38 PM EDT
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I don't recall you making this comment
when they gave Edgar the start last week.
Not that I would expect you to be consistent or anything…
by dahlian on
May 5, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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Here we go D-backs…here we go.. boom…boom.
This is a pretty tough lineup, both on D and O but they have some possable weaknesses pitching.
This could be a very defining seiries.
by foulpole on
May 5, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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Those other guys:
S. Victorino cf .231
E. Bruntlett ss .222
C. Utley 2b .357
R. Howard 1b .167
P. Burrell lf .330
G. Jenkins rf .250
P. Feliz 3b .214
C. Ruiz c .203
J. Moyer p .125
by foulpole on May 5, 2008 8:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Don’t we all feel better about a Max start vs. Ed-it’s-Gon against this line up at the BOB?
by foulpole on May 5, 2008 8:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Not so scary
The lowest BA in our lineup is .236. The Phillies have FIVE of their eight players batting below that this season. Sure, Utley and Burrell have been on fire, while Howard won’t hit .167 forever. But they have only scored 4.7 runs/game this year, and that’s in a very hitter-friendly stadium.
by Jim McLennan on
May 5, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
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Sweet!
I get the D-backs; feed! Game on, boys! (and girls)!!
by foulpole on May 5, 2008 9:31 PM EDT 0 recs
May WAG for Max is 90 pitches tonight.
Any onther WAGs?
by foulpole on May 5, 2008 9:32 PM EDT 0 recs
WAG?
I’m assuming Wild _ Guess? I’ve heard 90 pitches mentioned as a likely aim for him. The question will be, how long might that last? If I was the Phillies, I’d be trying to take a few pitches and run that count up, but if he throws strikes at the rate he did in his debut, it might just be digging a deep hole.
by Jim McLennan on
May 5, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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Yes…WAG = wild assed guess. And yes, I agree that if they are sitting on pitches that they could be behind in the count. IMO, sitting on good pitches is not a good idea.
Let’s go Max!
by foulpole on
May 5, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Wives and girlfriends?
I’ll handicap him at +5
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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WAGs also means "wives and girlfriends"
a reference to player’s wives and girlfriends at sporting events.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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I’m not looking for the twin killing right now. ;-)
by foulpole on
May 5, 2008 9:56 PM EDT
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soco's keys to the game
1) Listen on the radio as I do laundry and clean house
2) Watch “How I Met Your Mother”
3) Attempt to digest the Sourdough Jack and two regular tacos I just ate
4) Take a shot of tequila for my homies
5) Dessert?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:35 PM EDT 0 recs
Hot-dogs
I’m on the dogs tonight; they seem to usually bring us good luck.
by Jim McLennan on May 5, 2008 9:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Drat, there goes his perfect start
Double off the bat…
by snakecharmer on May 5, 2008 9:41 PM EDT 0 recs
Leadoff double, do not want!
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:41 PM EDT 0 recs
And a near HPB
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:41 PM EDT 0 recs
Correct that, HPB
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
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I was opening a box at work
and someone had used as packing filler a maraca. What possesses someone to use a maraca as packing filler!?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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LOL, because they suck???
BTW, IMO, the maraca is EdGon. ;-)
by foulpole on
May 5, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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I picked up the box and it's rattling
and all I can think is, “did something get damaged?” Nope, just a damn maraca. And not EdGon, either, though if I could pick up that box I’d be pretty proud of myself.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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I already ate mine :-(
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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grand start >:-(
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on May 5, 2008 9:42 PM EDT 0 recs
Dodgers/Lakers fan
He is not of our cloth!
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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I assume this was meant to be in response to me....
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 5, 2008 11:15 PM EDT
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Yeah the site was acting up
and for some reason posted it up here. Odd.
by snakecharmer on
May 5, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
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It happens.
Lame.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 5, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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One out on FC at second
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:45 PM EDT 0 recs
Sac fly, one on, two out, P8
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:46 PM EDT 0 recs
So that makes the game Phils on top, 1-0
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:46 PM EDT
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That doesn't show up in the stats,
but if if Howard were running instead of Utley, that would have been a double play.
Stats suck.
by dahlian on May 5, 2008 9:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Maxie has the speed but not the location so far.
That’s what I’m talking about!!!
by foulpole on May 5, 2008 9:50 PM EDT 0 recs
1st night nerves,I hope
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on May 5, 2008 9:51 PM EDT 0 recs
Don’t be nervous…You have done this before…no??? ;-)
by foulpole on
May 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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Might as well do it now
while he’s hot.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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The above was not meant to be here...
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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It does
but I felt I better clarify…
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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CY strikes out
here comes Mr. Guaranteed Out.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:53 PM EDT 0 recs
Almost a Flying Nun from Byrnes
two outs
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:55 PM EDT 0 recs
Moyer's nibbling the edges
if the Diamondbacks can be patient they might have a little better results.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT 0 recs
And just like that, O-Dawg hits a double
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
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Hudson didn't look so good running that out
He’s running very, very gingerly.
by snakecharmer on May 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT 0 recs
At some point they need to consider giving him a bit more rest
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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That point should be asap
Augie’s doing a fine job in his stead.
by snakecharmer on
May 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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Why do I get the sinking feeling this season's epitaph will be
The 2008 Arizona Diamondbacks: At some point they should have considered giving them a bit more rest.
by dahlian on
May 5, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Am I a bad fan that I laughed at that?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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So where IS everybody?
It looks like it’s just soco, foulpoul and myself! Let’s see, Jim went to BBQ…
by snakecharmer on May 5, 2008 9:58 PM EDT 0 recs
I guess everyone has a case of the Mondays.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 5, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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ahem
here, just eating satsumas,so I can’t type
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
May 5, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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tangerine?
clementine? one of those little oranges.
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
May 5, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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yes
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
May 5, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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Checking in
Had rehearsal for a musical show; and I’ll check in for Kishi, too. He’s on the road to Surprise.
It's like living with a six-year old.
by 4 Corners Fan on
May 5, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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OK
so hows the new pitcher looking?
"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War
by Turambar on May 5, 2008 9:59 PM EDT 0 recs
Pretty young!
Er… yeah, he’s okay. A little on edge. He’s thrown all of his pitches already, it’ll depend on how the Phils adjust to seeing him…
by snakecharmer on
May 5, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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kk
I heard this kid has incredible heat. Sadly though I have yet to see it
"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War
by Turambar on
May 5, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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He did the other day, remember
Struck out 7 of 13, looked awesome.
by snakecharmer on
May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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I know
but I didnt see it
"Troops in desperate straights know no fear. Where there is no escape, they stand firm; When they have entered deep, they persist; When they see no hope, they fight." Sun Tzu The Art of War
by Turambar on
May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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Looks a little shaky so far
but it’s been only one inning. We’ll see how he goes if he can settle.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on May 5, 2008 10:00 PM EDT