Gameday Thread, #54: 5/29 vs. Giants Overflow
Here we go again... Still too close to call. No K record for RJ, but he is still in line for the win. Six outs to get and some insurance would be nice...
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So...empty
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
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SECOND
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on
May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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I'd start with
East Side Records. They have among the better vinyl collections in the valley and all the guys that work there are all old school punkers.
by dahlian on
May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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That's what you said the last time I brought up vinyl
and I still have been meaning to check them out. I’m not much of a collector, though, I’m more like a gatherer. I like the hunt for the rare, strange or goofy more than owning the ones that are worth anything.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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You'd kill for some of my vinyl
punk singles released in editions of 500, sold at gigs
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
by hotclaws on
May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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I probably would
but my uncle is another I would. His entire living room is vinyl on the walls, all kind of rare stuff that he could get a fortune for. Me? I have Shoes.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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And DVDs. Don't forget our DVDs.
I have been colonized.
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May 29, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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That's true.
But I meant the band, “Shoes.”
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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The Clash "Combat Rock"
Has an unauthorized recording of the “2000 Flushes” commercial…only on vinyl!
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on
May 30, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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RJ's done.
I love Randy.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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Well, the good one
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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Is there any other?
I mean, really.
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on
May 29, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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To DBacksSkins
I was going to be an elementary school teacher but I am a little less into the hardcore education/testing part and more about goofing off and letting them learn with the fun. :)
I have been colonized.
by mrssoco on
May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT
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Yeah, she was a music education major
at Shenandoah University, so she wouldn’t have been a classroom teacher anyway.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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Montero with a single
Romero with the Sac bunt.
Productive at bat.
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on
May 29, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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Miggy
with a weird, squiggly single up the middle.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:32 PM EDT
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Perfect bunt by Romero.
Nearly beat the throw, too.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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sounded like it was close.
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on
May 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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unnamedDBacksfan
My grandpa’s not friends with David Stern, but they’re acquaintances. He does ConLaw and Stern… obviously, is commissioner of the NBA, so they’re not really in the same field.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:34 PM EDT
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Boo, strikeout
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
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You’re
NBA’s bitch.
by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up reply
You’re MLB’s bitch.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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Nah. I'm more the NFL's bitch, if anything.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
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I'm going to a few Coyotes games next year
and see if the NHL can take over as my second sport.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
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hockey is a lot of fun
to watch in person
by dstorm on
May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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I used to love hockey
the obsession level was a little sickening, then it just dropped off my radar and I’m not sure why.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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Maybe
because it sucks?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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You fail to disuade my desire to go see the Coyotes
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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CAPITALS. CAPITALS. CAPITALS.
I have been colonized.
by mrssoco on
May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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I know, baby, I know.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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Why
are you a Caps fan again?
If I had to root for a team, it’d be the Caps.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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Well, I could probably pull a lot of other reasons
But mostly because my friend got me into them and I like Laich, Green and Ovechkin (whose name I will never spell right). :)
I have been colonized.
by mrssoco on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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I'm fairly certain
that you spelled it right. :-D
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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Hey, knock yourself out.
Just means the NHL will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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This argument could be used against any sport
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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Yeah,
but the NFL and MLB don’t suck. That’s the difference.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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The former does
Ooo! Let’s see how many teams can be 8-8 this season!
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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That is very true.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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Every single team goes into the season
with the chance to make the playoffs, despite the results of the previous year.
Can’t say that about baseball. As a sports league, it doesn’t get much better than that.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
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Because most of the teams are average to mediocre
with only a few really bad or really good teams, and the season is too short to really differentiate between the 7-9, 8-8, and 9-7 teams, which is always a large chunk of the league.
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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Which gives
a larger share of the league the chance to stay in contention.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:27 AM EDT
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I'm sure people thought Tampa Bay wasn't going to be in first place.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 30, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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Same thing with baseball.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 30, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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Actually,
most statheads projected Tampa Bay to be around an 88 win team.
But those Billy Beane disciples, what would they know?
by dahlian on
May 30, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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How to count up the change in your pocket
really fast.
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
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I like MLB more than NFL.
End of discussion for me.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 30, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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Man this miscomment thing
is getting odd results.
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Fair enough.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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"People" don't pay enough attention to know any better.
Most experts liked them coming into this season because of the way their pitching has gotten much better.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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Narrow minded.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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wrong post again.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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narrow minded.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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did it again.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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Blech. Hockey.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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Blech, you
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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Damn. In my face.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
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NFL,
there’s a sport with high class citizens.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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You're endorsing the NBA, and you're going to talk about
the “high class citizens” in the NFL??
Pot: “Kettle, you’re one black sonofabitch.”
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
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Just to mention
Win Probability before the bunt: 81.6%
Win Probability after the bunt: 80.4%
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:37 PM EDT
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But
is Alex Romero really an average MLB hitter?
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
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He's the designated small ball player
Melvin had Snyder and Augie available.
by dahlian on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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in that situation --
with a 1-run lead,
I think it is the right call
by dstorm on
May 29, 2008 11:38 PM EDT
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Better
To have a runner on first with one out than a runner on second with one out. You score more runs from the former than the latter.
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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That
makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever, Jim.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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Do the numbers really support that?
That just blows my mind.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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Better To have a runner on first with one out than a runner on second with one out.
You can’t be serious on this one. Are you?
by foulpole on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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Duh
Runner on first with NO outs.
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Okay....
yeah, THAT makes sense….. but I don’t see how it advances your argument in this case.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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Simple
With a runner on first and no outs, the average number of runs teams score is higher than after a successful sacrifice bunt advances the runner to second. The decision to bunt reduces the average number of runs scored.
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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Right
I think the confusion (at least on my part) was that you were saying both situations with one out. If the math supported that, I’d be surprised.
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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Yes,
but those numbers, by definition, assume that the batter is a league average hitter. I’m not saying bunting is always the right decision or anything like that. I’m just saying that it depends more on who’s at the plate.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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How many of those runners (in a limited sample size that probably included the AL) that started at 1st with nobody out, ended up at 2nd with one out and scored?
by foulpole on
May 30, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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I'm sure he meant
runner on second with 2 outs
by dstorm on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Run Expectancy Chart
Will probably say it better than I did. :-)
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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So being on second with one out is better than being on first
however being on first with no outs is better than that. All is right with the world!
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by soco on
May 29, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
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If a guy on first no outs scores on a triple or well hit double, that run factors into the category man on first no outs,
but if a guy on first no outs gets bunt over and scores on a base hit, then that factors into the same category. This stat is flawed.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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No,
if the succesful bunt resulted in more runs, it would have a higher run expectancy since there are less unknowns like a botched bunt turned into a double play.
by dahlian on
May 30, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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We are not looking for more runs, we are looking to get a run at the best possible chance.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 30, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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I'm actually a fan of these type of stats
and I see your point – but I also offer the question,
How many World Series have the Oakland A’s won in the last decade?
by dstorm on
May 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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This data is from 99 to 02
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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it's still a pretty good sample size
I bet it hasn’t changed too much
by dstorm on
May 29, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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You'll get the same
Basic results regardless of the sample. Bunts reduce runs.
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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Not exactly,
In low scoring eras with less sluggers, small ball becomes more important.
I’m not sure if there’s ever been that environment where a bunt becomes a positive, but it’s possible.
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May 30, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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Tell me this do you feel 1.2% less confident after that bunt.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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I do feel kinda
dirty. Is that the same thing?
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on
May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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Personally,
I felt 3.2859% less confident after that bunt.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
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I feel 5.4%
less confident in the intelligence of our manager after a sac bunt.
by dahlian on
May 29, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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Randy Winn
catches Drew’s lineout.
Were you aware that I hate him?
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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No,
please explain.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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Oh.
See, I hate Randy Winn.
He’s responsible for all the evil in the world.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
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Right,
and I have a million dollar check from Bill Gates.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Really?
My uncle went to a party at his house once. True story.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
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Just like Randy Winn is responsible for the all evil in the world.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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Actually, I'm completely serious.
Google “Michael Lacovara”. He worked on the Microsoft case, and Gates had the entire staff of Sullivan & Cromwell over for a party after the case.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:55 PM EDT
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You are completely overdoing this joke.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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I quote:
While at Sullivan & Cromwell, Mr. Lacovara represented a variety of financial services and technology firms and served as trial counsel to Microsoft Corporation in United States v. Microsoft.
That’s my uncle. Seriously.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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Yeah, right.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 30, 2008 12:05 AM EDT
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Now you're just trying to frustrate me.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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Do what I can, sometimes more, depends on the situation.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
by srdmad on
May 30, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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Anyway, true story.
Gates has a garage that is LITERALLY the size of an aircraft hanger.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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This is the save situation here
Pena has to go through the heart of the order.
by Jim McLennan on
May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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Seriously.
C’mon! Preserve this W for Randy!!
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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If it's the heart of the order
in the eighth inning of a save situation, your best reliever should be in there.
It’s an institutional philosophy that the A’s have and that I think the rest of the teams in baseball are stupid for not adopting.
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May 29, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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Agreed.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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good point because if Billy Beane does it
the rest of the league obviously should?
I disagree with this mentality
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May 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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Why?
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:05 AM EDT
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because O-Dawg just got the go-ahead run
to scoring position…... with a STEAL
(even though the stats would tell you not to steal)
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May 30, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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The stats tell you not steel
if you’re not succesful more than 75% of the time.
If you haven’t noticed, that’s the same philosophy our team has used the last couple years. The only difference is we have guys that can do it..
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May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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But stats are just trying to determine what would happen
over time. So sure, in a singular situation a steal or a bunt can work and be good, but over time it would prove to be not as effective. And since baseball is played over such a long season, you would want to increase your chances to win by decreasing these luck based events.
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May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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I do understand the mentality
but also like the fact that the manager can “roll the dice” so to speak in certain situations, even when the stats would tell you otherwise -
Also, just personally, I like watching aggressive base running -
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May 30, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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I think a good example here
is Boston. They generally follow the Moneyball “rules” but are willing to steal in certain situations (2004 playoffs come to mind).
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
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This is the same mentality
that makes Las Vegas rich.
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One stolen base is responsible for the 2004 series win?
What about the lineup full of high OBP sluggers playing station to station baseball? Are they just a footnote in your world?
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May 30, 2008 12:19 AM EDT
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can't remember exactly
but believe it was game 4 of the ALCS, where Roberts stole 2nd and ended up either tying or winning the game - had he stayed on first likely Yankees win the series
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Why even have managers
if there should never be any judgement exercised in deference to statistics?
by dstorm on
May 30, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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The decisions still have to be made,
the managers should be smart enough to know the situations.
Not to mention all of the human relations aspect of managing.
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I believe that is part of the argument
in this book
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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You're being ridiculous
to cite that one stolen base as being responsible for the series win. It was the “Moneyball” players that got the team into that position.
Hell, they Roberts was a bench player that they used only in the position to get a stolen base. That should tell you right there that while they thought a good base stealing is nice, it’s not enough to on its own make up for things like hitting for power and getting on base.
You’re creating a complete straw man to say the Beane types never think it’s okay to steal. They do if you can steal at a high enough rate. Roberts can and as such the Boston Red Sox him in that capacity.
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Which is one of the themes
of this book
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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You're really plugging that book, aren't you?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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Well I do work for a bookstore
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by soco on
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Barnes and Noble at 90th and Shea
and unfortunately, no, sorry.
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The link he's plugging
goes to Barnes & Noble….
But it could just be because it’s easy to find a book at their website.
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by DbacksSkins on
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Sorry
I use it for books because I already know the system well, but I use amazon to search for anything else.
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by soco on
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All Hail the Great Billy Beane....
remind me again how many World Series the A’s have won?
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The A's have no salary.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 12:32 AM EDT
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Look up the A's 2001 roster.
That roster was stacked, if they had the money like the Dodgers or Tigers, they would be awesome.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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List their players from ‘01 (or any year) and then place next to their name whether they were using PEDs.
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May 30, 2008 12:50 AM EDT
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List the Diamondbacks players from '01
and then place next to their name whether they were using PEDs.
Giambi – yes
Gonzalez – yes
Williams – yes
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Giambi?
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I'm combining the A's and DBacks
since Foulpole seems to think that the A’s were only that good because of PEDs.
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I was going to say....
the PEDs thing is a pretty asinine argument, considering the entire league was using at the time.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
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Gonzo?
hadn’t heard that one – seriously?
he doesn’t seem the type or build to me….
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Whoa....
you seriously “hadn’t heard that one”??! That’s part of the reason he left!
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I seriously hadn't
there were a couple years after the World Series win that I didn’t follow the team as close as I do now
If true, that would be disappointing to me, to tell you the truth – I always had a lot of respect for Gonzo and the way he played the game
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What's your point?
That A’s team would have been great. And since you think everyone used PEDs, doesn’t that out equal everyone else doing it.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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Agreed.
That makes a big difference.
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The playoffs have more luck involved?
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by soco on
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With all of that stateliciousness, the AthPEDics should have won at least a few, no?
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May 30, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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How is Oakland to supposed to keep Giambi, Dye, Damon, Hudson, Zito, Mulder, Terrance Long, Miguel Tejeda, Chavez.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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If we're talking stats,
then Boston is a better example: granted, they’ve had a huge budget, but what has that accomplished for the Mets? If the A’s salary wasn’t so pathetically low, they probably would have AT LEAST made it to a series or two.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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*weren't
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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You're being intentionally trollish now, right?
One of the winningest teams of this decade means nothing if you can’t win a World Series?
What about the Red Sox that have pretty much employed the exact same philosophies as Beane, but with a real payroll? Do you count their World Series?
Also, what the ###? I never even brought up Beane’s opinion on basestealing in this thread. I’m not even that big of a fan of his. I just think it’s smart the way he has a team believe that a save situation means pitching against the heart of the opposing team’s lineup.
YOU are the person who didn’t even try to argue against that point but went straight to trying to hack down Beane with completely ridiculous arguments.
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May 30, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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Great minds.
And I agree, Beane is playing the role of a bit of a straw man in this argument.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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If it wasn't for Jeter's play in the 01 playoffs, or should I say Jermey Giambi's lack of sliding, the A's might have gotten to the world series.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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Don't forget 2003
when Byrnes almost singlehandedly choked away a playoffs win against the Red Sox.
per wikipedia: “Byrnes was also involved in a 2003 baseball game that included two significant base running gaffes in a single inning. With a chance to close out the Boston Red Sox, the Athletics had a potential rally stifled by two controversial plays. Byrnes was tagged out after failing to touch home plate after a collision with catcher Jason Varitek, who had blocked the plate before attempting to catch the ball. After the collision, a hobbling Byrnes shoved Varitek and began walking back to the dugout. Varitek picked up the ball and tagged Byrnes out”
by dahlian on
May 30, 2008 12:43 AM EDT
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But
his intangibles made up for it.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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relax amigo
I’m actually also a believer in the Billy Beane moneyball mentality and yes, the Boston RedSox are a good example
However, the point I’m trying to make is that with that mentality, judgement should be exercised in certain situations – which the RedSox have done.
This goes back to BoMel’s decision in the 8th with 2 outs to bring in Qualls—Qualls got out of the inning so it obviously ended up being a good choice.
Would Lyon have also gotten the out? Maybe, but it’s not a bad decision by a manager to bring in your main “hold” man in a bases loaded situation in the 8th—
Just my opinion – and we obviously disagree
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May 30, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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Just last year
Lyon was our main “hold” man. Has he lost it since magically becoming the closer?
It’s not just getting out of that inning. The decision to pitch Qualls ensures that Melvin has to bring him back out there in the ninth if the game remains tied. At that point there’s no more save situation to wait for. Each inning is do or die and you should be using your best pitcher possible while there’s still a game.
We lost with our third best reliever on the mound. If you’re going to lose, at least go down guns a blazin’.
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May 30, 2008 12:55 AM EDT
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Who do you think
is our 2nd best reliever? Mad Max?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
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May 30, 2008 12:59 AM EDT
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He could be soon,
According to Melvin the list goes Lyon – Pena – Qualls – Cruz.
Max could very well be that guy now, but relievers are a tough nut to evaluate.
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May 30, 2008 1:03 AM EDT
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Might as well be Scherzer, so he can pitch more.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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Almost got Burris picked off
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Well, I'm pissed that the Lakers won,
but I’m glad that the Spurs lost.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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The hard core NBA fan speaks again.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
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Both the Lakers and the Spurs
offend my Arizona resident’s sensibilities.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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The lesser of two evils is the Lakers winning and nice seeing the Spurs have gone fishing!
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May 29, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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Congrats, by the way.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Yea, i hope its Bos/LA that would be real entertaining
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May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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You just don't want to bashed by the Pistons again.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
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I'll watch that, if it is.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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You hate the NBA, but you have feelings for teams.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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If I HAVE to root for someone,
I root for the Suns. I’d prefer not to watch.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
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But you don't, this is American.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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What the hell
does this comment mean?
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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You don't HAVE to root someone, you can choose what you want to do.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 30, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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I'm conflicted
I am happy Spurs lost, but sad Lakers won.
It was like watching Satan playing HItler, who do you root for?
I have been colonized.
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May 29, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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Kobe is absolutely hated in PHX, i really like the PHX/LAL rivalry,
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It has been kind of eclipsed though by Spurs hatred
Saying the name Ginobli could get you hurt in some parts. (Or, as I lovingly call him Wo-Man Gino-bitch.)
I have been colonized.
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May 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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Great minds!
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CoJack
boots an easy grounder. Lost focus before it was in his glove.
Dammit. Still, the DP is in order.
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by DbacksSkins on
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Jackson!!!!!!!
field the ball – horrible
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He looks like such a clown on D at times. It’s really just sick.
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May 29, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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wow
no bueno. inning over…..or it should be at least
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May 29, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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Bad boyfriend!
Go to my room.
(Wait, husband close by….)
Go to your room!
I have been colonized.
by mrssoco on
May 29, 2008 11:48 PM EDT
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Two back to back tailor made double play balls to CJ. Sheesh!! At least he got one that time.
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Hit batter.
Argh…. bases juiced.
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dude
Randy must be stewing right now. This is crazy. He had his first game blown by a couple of errors and the sound in teh clock is almost run out. poor guy cant afford this in 2008
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i really need to click preview
i meant sand in the hourglass. I am horrible.
by peeklay on
May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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Care for another beer? ;-)
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May 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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SDKGHPQHOHQOHLDSHGOHDSHLKEHOIWTHSDHFGJHSDGHOEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 29, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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Should have been out of the game once he put one man on.
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May 29, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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Pena you penis :-(
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
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Jackson = 1/2 Blown Save
Pena gets the other 1/2
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At the risk of saying,
I told you so… We do not win when we only score three runs. And we won’t win this one by scoring three runs.
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May 29, 2008 11:53 PM EDT
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Well not any more
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Missed a lot of chances to keep the lead here
but now they just need to lock it down and get back to work.
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Randy losses another game.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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He won’t get a loss. He gets a no decision.
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I meant losses another win.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
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May 29, 2008 11:58 PM EDT
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ugh
I am so happy I will be in LA this weekend and will not have to watch this team against a bad Nationals team. I am not sure they will win that series playing like this.
At first it was the offense (and in a way still is….i mean 3 against Zito?), but the defense miscues over the past week make it really difficult to watch
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Because Qualls is kind of good?
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Lyon is supposed to be our best reliever.
Bases loaded in a tie game is a more important situation than a one-run lead in the ninth.
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May 29, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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But it's not like Qualls couldn't get it done
It’s not like they rolled out EdGon.
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If you're going to get beat,
you should go down with your best players in the game.
It’s not like there was any reason to save Lyon. He could come back out to pitch the ninth and after that there won’t be any save situations anyways.
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May 30, 2008 12:03 AM EDT
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I'm not disagreeing that Lyons couldn't or maybe even shouldn't have gone in
but Qualls isn’t a bad choice either, as he’s pretty damn good.
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I don't think Melvin should be content with making "not bad" choices
You should make the best choices possible to fit the situation. You shouldn’t be tied to stupid orthodoxy like “the best reliever is the closer and they should only pitch in the ninth inning with 1-3 run leads”.
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May 30, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Dude, this board is kind of manic depressive
It is still the 8th, we have time. The apocalypse is not coming yet.
I have been colonized.
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May 29, 2008 11:56 PM EDT
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I can conquer the world!
ALL IS LOST
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by soco on
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When *I'm* the optomistic one
We should rethink things.
I have been colonized.
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Now you sound like me.
At least, the avatar version of me. ;-)
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Our confidence ain’t so high right now.
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I don't think manic depressive is the right diagnosis
Just a board full of people that have watched a couple of BB, a HBP and an error (a really really bad error), after watching this team really struggle over the past 20 games.
After all is said, i think people are reacting pretty normally
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No, it's a pretty fair diagnosis
moving from feeling good, to an instant all is lost mindset. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with expressing this.
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Really?
I just think it is ridiculous that it was like, “okay we are doing okay”.... “ONE RUN OMG! RANDY GETS THE LOSS, WHAT IS WRONG WITH US?”
And as my lovely husband points out it is pretty classic manic depressive behavior, though that is simplifying and stereotyping a much more complex mental disorder and I shouldn’t do that as a psych major. But … you know. I just do it for the LULZ.
I have been colonized.
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Sometimes I really hate
BoMel’s game management.
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nothing wrong with brining in Qualls there
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What's right about it?
Why wouldn’t you bring in your best available pitcher in one of the most important situations imaginable.
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how many bases loaded situations has
Brandon Lyon pitched out of this year?
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How many has Qualls?
What difference does it make?
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Thank God. Qualls with a final K.
But RJ gets robbed again.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
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Qualls gets the strikeout
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I wouldn't really qualify him as a dandy
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Texas Ranger?
I have been colonized.
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He’s a pitcher and his name is Walker. I was trying to jinx him into a bb.
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That's
almost as bad a name for a pitcher as Homer.
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O-dawg singles
now let’s get him in!
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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O-Dawg.
Leadoff bloop single. Let’s get something started here.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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O-Dawg starts our 8th with a lead off single!
Sweet!!!
by foulpole on
May 30, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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10.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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CoJack
with a deep lineout to—Randy Winn, who cuts up babies with a machete and eats them before every baseball game.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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Note to self:
Don’t leave children near Randy Winn… or DbacksSkins (cause wow, your mind is almost as twisted as mine. ;))
I have been colonized.
by mrssoco on
May 30, 2008 12:05 AM EDT
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Note to self:
Don’t let Mr. and Mrs. soco have kids.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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They'd be so CUTE though.
Cute… and EVIL. ;)
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by mrssoco on
May 30, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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Suddenly,
Stewie Griffin comes to mind.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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Bleh that kid would be so sold off
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:21 AM EDT
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Now
you sound like Randy Winn.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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No seriously.
Not allowed by yourself with our kids. We are getting a nanny. (and an ugly one to boot. Big, from Germany, one brow. Named Ulga)
I have been colonized.
by mrssoco on
May 30, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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Ugly?
To scare the kids or to keep soco honest? ;-)
Jk!!
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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Probably a good idea
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
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Is my personality
really THAT bad??
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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No, just curious
how you’re going to execute on that “note to self” :)
by dstorm on
May 30, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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I hadn't thought about it.
But now I’m creeping myself out.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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O-Dawg steals 2nd.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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Does that count as a steal or a passed ball?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:07 AM EDT
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Not sure.
Would have to check the video to see when he took off.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Nice hustle by O-Dawg on the miscue at the plate.
Sweet!
by foulpole on
May 30, 2008 12:06 AM EDT
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11.
I hope everyone picked the over.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Up to JUp
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
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May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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Damn. MarK is back.
We need you here, Upton….. just bloop it somewhere.
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May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
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When Upton Ks these days, it's usually on a high fastball like that.
Nice job checking his swing that time.
And… wow, able to take a splitter too.
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by DbacksSkins on
May 30, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
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Bleh I want a D'backs win.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:12 AM EDT
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So we now go in to the ninth
with our third best reliever on the mound. Wonderful.
by dahlian on
May 30, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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Poop, 4-3 Gnats
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by soco on
May 30, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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I see an 0-5 record in Qualls’ future.
by TwinnerA on
May 30, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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And our third best reliever
gives up the go-ahead home run. Wonderful.
by dahlian on
May 30, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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Warning, F-bombs coming.
FUCK YOU RANDY WINN. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK.
I HATE RANDY WINN!!!
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