Gameday Thread, #54: 5/29 vs. Giants Overflow
by Jim McLennan on May 29, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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PrintHere we go again... Still too close to call. No K record for RJ, but he is still in line for the win. Six outs to get and some insurance would be nice...
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SECOND
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on May 29, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd start with
East Side Records. They have among the better vinyl collections in the valley and all the guys that work there are all old school punkers.
That's what you said the last time I brought up vinyl
and I still have been meaning to check them out. I’m not much of a collector, though, I’m more like a gatherer. I like the hunt for the rare, strange or goofy more than owning the ones that are worth anything.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
You'd kill for some of my vinyl
punk singles released in editions of 500, sold at gigs
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.
I probably would
but my uncle is another I would. His entire living room is vinyl on the walls, all kind of rare stuff that he could get a fortune for. Me? I have Shoes.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
That's true.
But I meant the band, “Shoes.”
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
The Clash "Combat Rock"
Has an unauthorized recording of the “2000 Flushes” commercial…only on vinyl!
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on May 30, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the good one
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Is there any other?
I mean, really.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on May 29, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
To DBacksSkins
I was going to be an elementary school teacher but I am a little less into the hardcore education/testing part and more about goofing off and letting them learn with the fun. :)
I have been colonized.
Yeah, she was a music education major
at Shenandoah University, so she wouldn’t have been a classroom teacher anyway.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Montero with a single
Romero with the Sac bunt.
Productive at bat.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on May 29, 2008 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
sounded like it was close.
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by unnamedDBacksfan on May 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
unnamedDBacksfan
My grandpa’s not friends with David Stern, but they’re acquaintances. He does ConLaw and Stern… obviously, is commissioner of the NBA, so they’re not really in the same field.
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Boo, strikeout
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You’re
NBA’s bitch.
by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 10:28 PM CDT to parent up reply
You’re MLB’s bitch.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
Nah. I'm more the NFL's bitch, if anything.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to a few Coyotes games next year
and see if the NHL can take over as my second sport.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
I used to love hockey
the obsession level was a little sickening, then it just dropped off my radar and I’m not sure why.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Maybe
because it sucks?
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You fail to disuade my desire to go see the Coyotes
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I know, baby, I know.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Why
are you a Caps fan again?
If I had to root for a team, it’d be the Caps.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I could probably pull a lot of other reasons
But mostly because my friend got me into them and I like Laich, Green and Ovechkin (whose name I will never spell right). :)
I have been colonized.
I'm fairly certain
that you spelled it right. :-D
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, knock yourself out.
Just means the NHL will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This argument could be used against any sport
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Yeah,
but the NFL and MLB don’t suck. That’s the difference.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The former does
Ooo! Let’s see how many teams can be 8-8 this season!
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Every single team goes into the season
with the chance to make the playoffs, despite the results of the previous year.
Can’t say that about baseball. As a sports league, it doesn’t get much better than that.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Because most of the teams are average to mediocre
with only a few really bad or really good teams, and the season is too short to really differentiate between the 7-9, 8-8, and 9-7 teams, which is always a large chunk of the league.
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Which gives
a larger share of the league the chance to stay in contention.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure people thought Tampa Bay wasn't going to be in first place.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
Actually,
most statheads projected Tampa Bay to be around an 88 win team.
But those Billy Beane disciples, what would they know?
How to count up the change in your pocket
really fast.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Man this miscomment thing
is getting odd results.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Fair enough.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
"People" don't pay enough attention to know any better.
Most experts liked them coming into this season because of the way their pitching has gotten much better.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Blech. Hockey.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Blech, you
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Damn. In my face.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You're endorsing the NBA, and you're going to talk about
the “high class citizens” in the NFL??
Pot: “Kettle, you’re one black sonofabitch.”
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
But
is Alex Romero really an average MLB hitter?
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Better
To have a runner on first with one out than a runner on second with one out. You score more runs from the former than the latter.
by Jim McLennan on May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
That
makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever, Jim.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Do the numbers really support that?
That just blows my mind.
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Better To have a runner on first with one out than a runner on second with one out.
You can’t be serious on this one. Are you?
Okay....
yeah, THAT makes sense….. but I don’t see how it advances your argument in this case.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple
With a runner on first and no outs, the average number of runs teams score is higher than after a successful sacrifice bunt advances the runner to second. The decision to bunt reduces the average number of runs scored.
by Jim McLennan on May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
I think the confusion (at least on my part) was that you were saying both situations with one out. If the math supported that, I’d be surprised.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Yes,
but those numbers, by definition, assume that the batter is a league average hitter. I’m not saying bunting is always the right decision or anything like that. I’m just saying that it depends more on who’s at the plate.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Run Expectancy Chart
Will probably say it better than I did. :-)
by Jim McLennan on May 29, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So being on second with one out is better than being on first
however being on first with no outs is better than that. All is right with the world!
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If a guy on first no outs scores on a triple or well hit double, that run factors into the category man on first no outs,
but if a guy on first no outs gets bunt over and scores on a base hit, then that factors into the same category. This stat is flawed.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
No,
if the succesful bunt resulted in more runs, it would have a higher run expectancy since there are less unknowns like a botched bunt turned into a double play.
We are not looking for more runs, we are looking to get a run at the best possible chance.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
I'm actually a fan of these type of stats
and I see your point – but I also offer the question,
How many World Series have the Oakland A’s won in the last decade?
You'll get the same
Basic results regardless of the sample. Bunts reduce runs.
by Jim McLennan on May 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly,
In low scoring eras with less sluggers, small ball becomes more important.
I’m not sure if there’s ever been that environment where a bunt becomes a positive, but it’s possible.
Tell me this do you feel 1.2% less confident after that bunt.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
I do feel kinda
dirty. Is that the same thing?
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on May 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally,
I felt 3.2859% less confident after that bunt.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Winn
catches Drew’s lineout.
Were you aware that I hate him?
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Oh.
See, I hate Randy Winn.
He’s responsible for all the evil in the world.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Right,
and I have a million dollar check from Bill Gates.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
Really?
My uncle went to a party at his house once. True story.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like Randy Winn is responsible for the all evil in the world.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
Actually, I'm completely serious.
Google “Michael Lacovara”. He worked on the Microsoft case, and Gates had the entire staff of Sullivan & Cromwell over for a party after the case.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I quote:
While at Sullivan & Cromwell, Mr. Lacovara represented a variety of financial services and technology firms and served as trial counsel to Microsoft Corporation in United States v. Microsoft.
That’s my uncle. Seriously.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you're just trying to frustrate me.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyway, true story.
Gates has a garage that is LITERALLY the size of an aircraft hanger.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously.
C’mon! Preserve this W for Randy!!
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's the heart of the order
in the eighth inning of a save situation, your best reliever should be in there.
It’s an institutional philosophy that the A’s have and that I think the rest of the teams in baseball are stupid for not adopting.
Agreed.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
good point because if Billy Beane does it
the rest of the league obviously should?
I disagree with this mentality
Why?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
because O-Dawg just got the go-ahead run
to scoring position…... with a STEAL
(even though the stats would tell you not to steal)
The stats tell you not steel
if you’re not succesful more than 75% of the time.
If you haven’t noticed, that’s the same philosophy our team has used the last couple years. The only difference is we have guys that can do it..
But stats are just trying to determine what would happen
over time. So sure, in a singular situation a steal or a bunt can work and be good, but over time it would prove to be not as effective. And since baseball is played over such a long season, you would want to increase your chances to win by decreasing these luck based events.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
I do understand the mentality
but also like the fact that the manager can “roll the dice” so to speak in certain situations, even when the stats would tell you otherwise -
Also, just personally, I like watching aggressive base running -
I think a good example here
is Boston. They generally follow the Moneyball “rules” but are willing to steal in certain situations (2004 playoffs come to mind).
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
One stolen base is responsible for the 2004 series win?
What about the lineup full of high OBP sluggers playing station to station baseball? Are they just a footnote in your world?
can't remember exactly
but believe it was game 4 of the ALCS, where Roberts stole 2nd and ended up either tying or winning the game - had he stayed on first likely Yankees win the series
The decisions still have to be made,
the managers should be smart enough to know the situations.
Not to mention all of the human relations aspect of managing.
I believe that is part of the argument
in this book
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
You're being ridiculous
to cite that one stolen base as being responsible for the series win. It was the “Moneyball” players that got the team into that position.
Hell, they Roberts was a bench player that they used only in the position to get a stolen base. That should tell you right there that while they thought a good base stealing is nice, it’s not enough to on its own make up for things like hitting for power and getting on base.
You’re creating a complete straw man to say the Beane types never think it’s okay to steal. They do if you can steal at a high enough rate. Roberts can and as such the Boston Red Sox him in that capacity.
Which is one of the themes
of this book
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
You're really plugging that book, aren't you?
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I do work for a bookstore
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Barnes and Noble at 90th and Shea
and unfortunately, no, sorry.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
The link he's plugging
goes to Barnes & Noble….
But it could just be because it’s easy to find a book at their website.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I use it for books because I already know the system well, but I use amazon to search for anything else.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Look up the A's 2001 roster.
That roster was stacked, if they had the money like the Dodgers or Tigers, they would be awesome.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
List their players from ‘01 (or any year) and then place next to their name whether they were using PEDs.
List the Diamondbacks players from '01
and then place next to their name whether they were using PEDs.
Giambi – yes
Gonzalez – yes
Williams – yes
Giambi?
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I'm combining the A's and DBacks
since Foulpole seems to think that the A’s were only that good because of PEDs.
I was going to say....
the PEDs thing is a pretty asinine argument, considering the entire league was using at the time.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa....
you seriously “hadn’t heard that one”??! That’s part of the reason he left!
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I seriously hadn't
there were a couple years after the World Series win that I didn’t follow the team as close as I do now
If true, that would be disappointing to me, to tell you the truth – I always had a lot of respect for Gonzo and the way he played the game
What's your point?
That A’s team would have been great. And since you think everyone used PEDs, doesn’t that out equal everyone else doing it.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
Agreed.
That makes a big difference.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The playoffs have more luck involved?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
How is Oakland to supposed to keep Giambi, Dye, Damon, Hudson, Zito, Mulder, Terrance Long, Miguel Tejeda, Chavez.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
If we're talking stats,
then Boston is a better example: granted, they’ve had a huge budget, but what has that accomplished for the Mets? If the A’s salary wasn’t so pathetically low, they probably would have AT LEAST made it to a series or two.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
*weren't
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You're being intentionally trollish now, right?
One of the winningest teams of this decade means nothing if you can’t win a World Series?
What about the Red Sox that have pretty much employed the exact same philosophies as Beane, but with a real payroll? Do you count their World Series?
Also, what the ###? I never even brought up Beane’s opinion on basestealing in this thread. I’m not even that big of a fan of his. I just think it’s smart the way he has a team believe that a save situation means pitching against the heart of the opposing team’s lineup.
YOU are the person who didn’t even try to argue against that point but went straight to trying to hack down Beane with completely ridiculous arguments.
Great minds.
And I agree, Beane is playing the role of a bit of a straw man in this argument.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If it wasn't for Jeter's play in the 01 playoffs, or should I say Jermey Giambi's lack of sliding, the A's might have gotten to the world series.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
Don't forget 2003
when Byrnes almost singlehandedly choked away a playoffs win against the Red Sox.
per wikipedia: “Byrnes was also involved in a 2003 baseball game that included two significant base running gaffes in a single inning. With a chance to close out the Boston Red Sox, the Athletics had a potential rally stifled by two controversial plays. Byrnes was tagged out after failing to touch home plate after a collision with catcher Jason Varitek, who had blocked the plate before attempting to catch the ball. After the collision, a hobbling Byrnes shoved Varitek and began walking back to the dugout. Varitek picked up the ball and tagged Byrnes out”
But
his intangibles made up for it.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
relax amigo
I’m actually also a believer in the Billy Beane moneyball mentality and yes, the Boston RedSox are a good example
However, the point I’m trying to make is that with that mentality, judgement should be exercised in certain situations – which the RedSox have done.
This goes back to BoMel’s decision in the 8th with 2 outs to bring in Qualls—Qualls got out of the inning so it obviously ended up being a good choice.
Would Lyon have also gotten the out? Maybe, but it’s not a bad decision by a manager to bring in your main “hold” man in a bases loaded situation in the 8th—
Just my opinion – and we obviously disagree
Just last year
Lyon was our main “hold” man. Has he lost it since magically becoming the closer?
It’s not just getting out of that inning. The decision to pitch Qualls ensures that Melvin has to bring him back out there in the ninth if the game remains tied. At that point there’s no more save situation to wait for. Each inning is do or die and you should be using your best pitcher possible while there’s still a game.
We lost with our third best reliever on the mound. If you’re going to lose, at least go down guns a blazin’.
Who do you think
is our 2nd best reliever? Mad Max?
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He could be soon,
According to Melvin the list goes Lyon – Pena – Qualls – Cruz.
Max could very well be that guy now, but relievers are a tough nut to evaluate.
Almost got Burris picked off
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Well, I'm pissed that the Lakers won,
but I’m glad that the Spurs lost.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Both the Lakers and the Spurs
offend my Arizona resident’s sensibilities.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats, by the way.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll watch that, if it is.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If I HAVE to root for someone,
I root for the Suns. I’d prefer not to watch.
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell
does this comment mean?
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You don't HAVE to root someone, you can choose what you want to do.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
I'm conflicted
I am happy Spurs lost, but sad Lakers won.
It was like watching Satan playing HItler, who do you root for?
I have been colonized.
It has been kind of eclipsed though by Spurs hatred
Saying the name Ginobli could get you hurt in some parts. (Or, as I lovingly call him Wo-Man Gino-bitch.)
I have been colonized.
Great minds!
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
CoJack
boots an easy grounder. Lost focus before it was in his glove.
Dammit. Still, the DP is in order.
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dude
Randy must be stewing right now. This is crazy. He had his first game blown by a couple of errors and the sound in teh clock is almost run out. poor guy cant afford this in 2008
Care for another beer? ;-)
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by DbacksSkins on May 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
At the risk of saying,
I told you so… We do not win when we only score three runs. And we won’t win this one by scoring three runs.
Well not any more
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Missed a lot of chances to keep the lead here
but now they just need to lock it down and get back to work.
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ugh
I am so happy I will be in LA this weekend and will not have to watch this team against a bad Nationals team. I am not sure they will win that series playing like this.
At first it was the offense (and in a way still is….i mean 3 against Zito?), but the defense miscues over the past week make it really difficult to watch
Because Qualls is kind of good?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Lyon is supposed to be our best reliever.
Bases loaded in a tie game is a more important situation than a one-run lead in the ninth.
But it's not like Qualls couldn't get it done
It’s not like they rolled out EdGon.
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If you're going to get beat,
you should go down with your best players in the game.
It’s not like there was any reason to save Lyon. He could come back out to pitch the ninth and after that there won’t be any save situations anyways.
I'm not disagreeing that Lyons couldn't or maybe even shouldn't have gone in
but Qualls isn’t a bad choice either, as he’s pretty damn good.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
I don't think Melvin should be content with making "not bad" choices
You should make the best choices possible to fit the situation. You shouldn’t be tied to stupid orthodoxy like “the best reliever is the closer and they should only pitch in the ninth inning with 1-3 run leads”.
Dude, this board is kind of manic depressive
It is still the 8th, we have time. The apocalypse is not coming yet.
I have been colonized.
I can conquer the world!
ALL IS LOST
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Now you sound like me.
At least, the avatar version of me. ;-)
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think manic depressive is the right diagnosis
Just a board full of people that have watched a couple of BB, a HBP and an error (a really really bad error), after watching this team really struggle over the past 20 games.
After all is said, i think people are reacting pretty normally
No, it's a pretty fair diagnosis
moving from feeling good, to an instant all is lost mindset. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with expressing this.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Really?
I just think it is ridiculous that it was like, “okay we are doing okay”.... “ONE RUN OMG! RANDY GETS THE LOSS, WHAT IS WRONG WITH US?”
And as my lovely husband points out it is pretty classic manic depressive behavior, though that is simplifying and stereotyping a much more complex mental disorder and I shouldn’t do that as a psych major. But … you know. I just do it for the LULZ.
I have been colonized.
What's right about it?
Why wouldn’t you bring in your best available pitcher in one of the most important situations imaginable.
Qualls gets the strikeout
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
I wouldn't really qualify him as a dandy
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That's
almost as bad a name for a pitcher as Homer.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
O-dawg singles
now let’s get him in!
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O-Dawg.
Leadoff bloop single. Let’s get something started here.
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10.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
CoJack
with a deep lineout to—Randy Winn, who cuts up babies with a machete and eats them before every baseball game.
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Note to self:
Don’t leave children near Randy Winn… or DbacksSkins (cause wow, your mind is almost as twisted as mine. ;))
I have been colonized.
Note to self:
Don’t let Mr. and Mrs. soco have kids.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Suddenly,
Stewie Griffin comes to mind.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Bleh that kid would be so sold off
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Now
you sound like Randy Winn.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No seriously.
Not allowed by yourself with our kids. We are getting a nanny. (and an ugly one to boot. Big, from Germany, one brow. Named Ulga)
I have been colonized.
Ugly?
To scare the kids or to keep soco honest? ;-)
Jk!!
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably a good idea
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Is my personality
really THAT bad??
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't thought about it.
But now I’m creeping myself out.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Does that count as a steal or a passed ball?
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Not sure.
Would have to check the video to see when he took off.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
11.
I hope everyone picked the over.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn. MarK is back.
We need you here, Upton….. just bloop it somewhere.
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When Upton Ks these days, it's usually on a high fastball like that.
Nice job checking his swing that time.
And… wow, able to take a splitter too.
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Bleh I want a D'backs win.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Poop, 4-3 Gnats
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Warning, F-bombs coming.
FUCK YOU RANDY WINN. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK.
I HATE RANDY WINN!!!
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Did you know that
Randy Winn IS ACTUALLY SADDAM HUSSEIN??
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That'd be a bit freaky
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
He faked his own death,
just so he could fuck over the Dbacks.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Spoiler alert
the robot falls in love.
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no spoilers, but
there is a hatch and a bad guy with a very serious demeanor and there is a polar bear on an island, but dont worry once it gets to the people on the beach it pulls out some coca colas and invites its baby polar bear to the beach party
D'awwwwwww
Polar bears and Coca-Cola!
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Spoiler alert
It was all just a dream.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruce Willis is a ghost
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Harrison Ford is a robot
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
A replicant? Or is he?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
He is.
Remember the unicorn? And the fact that one of the missing replicants is never accounted for?
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No I know the arguments
but Philip K Dick didn’t believe he was a replicant, while Ridley Scott did. Personally I think the ending is effective either way.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
I never read the book, so
Fantastic movie, though. Maybe I’ll watch that right now to cheer myself up.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Saw it
It was pretty bad.
"Look, I'm not a financial expert or anything, but I'm pretty sure that a zeppelin is an excellent investment opportunity."
Thank you
Too bad Harrison Ford and the director, producer, etc. will all get even richer off of it.
Why?
They made a product, and people saw it with no trickery involved. Why shouldn’t they make money off it?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Yeah, I don't quite get it either.
It’s not a bait-and-switch or anything. It’s capitalism.
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It's not that bad
It’s an Indy movie, so the bar isn’t very high to begin with.
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
With the offense and defensive struggles
would it have mattered?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
Man I hope so
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
pitched against the Giants, you saying he isnt one of our best.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
But noooooooooooooooo
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
im off to bed, expect a lot of Kershaw updates tomorrow
brian wilson is far from a lock in a save, dbacks can come back
We have been saying the bats will wake up for 3 weeks now.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
not sure if this will be a win or a loss, but....
if it is a loss, I will just tell myself “at least you don’t have to hear the ‘we back the dbacks song’”
You never got to #12.
So whoever took the under wins.
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Warning: More F-bombs
We just got swept by the fucking Giants.
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Far out!
Fantastic!
Feelin’ the love!
Felsen Haus!
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on May 30, 2008 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
::mutters something indecipherable to self::
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh , relax.
Have another.
Aaron "Swag" Rowand
by victor frankenstein on May 30, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
::wanders off to drink rum and watch Blade Runner::
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by DbacksSkins on May 30, 2008 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Bleh. Maybe this is the dark before the dawn?
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
odds of that happening?
slim to none the way we are playing
Reach for the sky 'cus tomorrow may never come,
by unnamedDBacksfan on May 30, 2008 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
When will Bob Melvin change the fucking lineup.
Upton is heating up, bat him leadoff.
Brandon Webb, that's all I'm going to say.
I feel like, the problem is, Melvin isn't willing to make changes
because we’re still in first place, so on that basis, it doesn’t SEEM like we’re doing too badly. In the big picture, anyway.
It’s the same philosophy that led the Rockies’ management to go into 2008 with essentially the exact same roster (minus Kaz Matsui) as the team that streaked into the WS. Why would they need to improve the roster, right? How’s that worked out for them so far??
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Well, for starters, let's go with the lineup.
1. Bat Upton leadoff, bumping CY to 5th or 6th.
2. Platoon Sally and Tracy/Romero in LF.
3. Never start Chris Burke.
4. Move Micah up in the order when he pitches.
I could think of more, too.
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5) Wear looser pants
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
I suppose who ever needs it the most
The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.
1) not sure I like J-Up in leadoff spot—how about Drew?
2) agreed
3) agreed
4) agreed
However, I can’t even begin to put this specific loss on BoMel—
Squarely goes on Jackson for his error and walks in the 8th inning -
I could have Drew lead off too,
but I like him better batting second. Upton draws more walks and has a much higher OBP. (Currently .377; Drew is at .316 and CY is at .331)
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It doesn't matter how he gets outs; he's still got a .377 OBP.
Of the regular starters, only O-Dawg and CoJack have a higher OBP.
I’d rather he strike out at the top of the order than in the 5th or 6th spot with runners on base. The leadoff man’s job is to get on base, not drive in runs, so there’s no difference between a strikeout and, say, a lineout. Even with 62 Ks, he gets on base A LOT.
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"squarely" is a bit much
CJ pushed it along a lot, but losing is a team effort. I give this loss 32% CJ, 25% Pena, 40% offense, 3% BoMel for not giving his team the best chance possible to win.
And yes, this is all half-assed conjecture. No statistics were harmed in the making of this post.
Your stats in this specific instance aren't "true science".
Ergo, this is actually an indictment of ALL baseball statistics. Because they’re not true science.
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fair assesment -
I would have guessed you would have put more than 3% on Bo-Mel
and 40% on the offense seems a bit harsh considering we were facing the great Barry Zito….
uh, strike that – and bump it up to 70%
I'm harsher on BoMel
because game management, like speed, should never go into a slump.
Maybe it’s my stat-nerdiness, but I look at playing Major League Baseball as something so unfathomably difficult to do, that I have pretty much no right to criticize a player for not being able to do things as esoteric as being clutch. To me, the players are what they are and so long as they aren’t going into a Sheffield-esque I pretty much assume that they’re trying their asses off to make themselves better and play to the best of their ability.
Thus, just about the only thing I feel really comfortable criticizing are a manager’s decision. Sure, sometimes they have the benefit of inside knowledge about whether or not a guy is “not right” that day, but for the most part, everything about the players is public knowledge. I found BoMel’s bullpen use tonight to be illogical and indefensible. In the grand scheme of things, it may not have made that much difference (thus the 3%), but there’s no reason to not make the best decisions possible. If we later find out that Lyon wasn’t feeling well tonight, I’ll take it back, but failing that he should have been in the game.
I’m more vocal about manager’s mistakes, but only because they’re the most easily correctable thing on the baseball field. Some can sit here and harp all day about what an awful fielder CJ is, and a lot of it is true, but my reaction is just that he is what he is. I don’t see anything to suggest that CJ doesn’t try to be a better fielder, so what use is their in complaining about it? Major League Baseball is hard. Split second reflexes with the game on the line are hard. The players are what they are and I accept them for their faults. I place the onus on management to compile the best team possible and the manager to make the best use possible of their abilities.
I admit,
there’s one in-game thing that I do harp on incessantly: players who swing at the first when the pitcher has just walked one or more batters on four straight balls.
That drives me absolutely batty. But even that falls into the category of the mental game. It’s one thing to get called out looking in a full count, or strikeout swinging at a pitch out of the zone – that shit is hard. It’s quite a bit simpler to walk up to the plate and tell yourself “I’m not swinging at anything this first pitch, no matter what”.
Alright. No work tomorrow,
so as promised, I’m going to go get a bit inebriated and watch Blade Runner.
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Over 200 comments again.
Maybe I should start setting up a separate Gameday Thread solely for the purpose of talking to myself. It’d still be longer than some of the threads from last year. :-D
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