Headline News! Scooter still sucks!
by foulpole on May 2, 2008 4:36 AM EDT
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PrintLMAO. I was watching the Padres' game tonight and Scooter Hairston looked so silly on two different plays out in LF. And, BTW, he continues to impress with a ba of .205. Wow! what a solid ML LF!
Free Scooter!!!
;-)
He's still a bomb!
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He also
hit a solo home run for the Padres’ only run in that 2-1 loss to the Phillies. It’s NOT just PetCo that’s keeping that team from scoring….
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
The Friars are done
Look at that OF of Giles, Edmonds, and Hairston nobody scares you. Greene and Gonzalez are good players and I think Kouz is okay. The Friars are in for a long year.
The big question:
is do they dump Peavy for prospects at some point? Not this year as he is locked in to a bargin of a deal for a pitcher of his caliber at such a young age.
They don't dump Peavy. No.
First of all, it’d be a HUGE PR disaster. Besides Hoff, Peavy is probably the most popular player on the team. Secondly, it’s not like they overpaid for him. He gave them a pretty significant discount. Finally, Peavy’s the kinda rare young talent you keep and build a team around. Chris White Young is a good player, but not on Peavy’s level. If the Pads want to have any chance of being competitive during the end of this decade, they’re going to need Peavy out there every fifth day.
That having been said, trades are just about the only thing Kevin Towers has done right. (I’m looking in YOUR direction, Adam Eaton for Evil Chris Young and Adrian Gonzalez!!)
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
Oh, yeah.
And the Padres’ outfield SUCKS.
I’m going to laugh the entire offseason if the Giants finish with more wins this year than the Padres….
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
and they actually like them...
i went to two of the three games we played in san diego last week and hearing them cheer hairston/edmonds/mac/giles was embarrassing!
I wonder if there are any other sucky Dbacks castoffs we can give them?
::Josh Byrnes calls up Kevin Towers::
JB: “So, may I interest you in Russ Ortiz? He’s a veteran, and a pitcher, and I know you like both of those.”
KT: “Go on…”
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
Are you trying
to make the Rockies GM Dan O’dowd jealous?
Garrett Atkins for 2nd ! Ian Stewart for 3rd !
Well
what about a straight up trade of LFers? We’ll call it a gift, since we took Jeff Salazar off your hands.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
I'm actually beginning to think
they might be well served trading Peavy.
They would do themselves well to try and look for pitchers like CWY that can go from above average to Cy Young candidates in Petco. As it stands, Peavy is not one of those pitchers – he’s a Cy Young winner in any ballpark. There’s an inefficiency there to be exploited and right now, Peavy is less valuable to the Padres than he would be with any other team.
i thought
you were talking about the cartoon baseball on fox broadcasts! that is the scooter i’d really like to never hear from again.
Mike Cameron has more speed then Edmonds and maybe that's why their pitching isn't winning them games any more.
Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?
The loss of Cameron is going to hurt them a lot. The Padres have to have one of the worst defensive OFs in MLB. In that park, that’s a very bad thing.
Correction:
The Padres have to have one of the worst defensive *and offensive OFs in MLB.
:-D
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
Well, frankly, I don't quite understand why foulpole hates Hairston so much,
but hey.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
It's not as if
he ever did anything while he was to incur this wrath. He didn’t kick puppies. He was never a starting pitcher with both performance and physical traits of titanic proportions. He never insulted the fans or the team. He was a good organizational soldier that eventually got squeezed out by better, younger talent and was traded away.
Why are we supposed to take such great delight in watching him fail? It’s so uncouth.
I am LMAO!!! so hard. Scooter gets the start in CF vs. the Marlins and the first batter hits one to center field, Scooter runs in several steps the starts running back and sure enough the Marlins get a lead off double out of what should have been an easy out.
Even better, the # 2 hits one to RF and Giles boots it and Hairston’s free double just scored.
Geez, that SD OF is pathetic! lol!
Except in those defensive zone rating factors you’ve laughed off elsewhere as useless.
"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck
Which is
part of what makes them infinitely more valuable than fielding % or errors…..
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
How does a two base mistake that results in a run show up in your zone rating factor? And how do those extra pitches that the staff has to throw show up?
It counts
as a play you didn’t make. All missed plays result in additional outs and pitches being thrown. That they don’t exactly record the number of runs that result is a benefit because it doesn’t unduly affect the rating of a defender whose pitcher subsequently implodes. In the same way, it doesn’t ignore the negative effect of a bad miscue that gets forgotten in the box score because a pitcher got the hitter to ground into a double play on the very next pitch.
But if you want to continue to use your defensive evaluation system – selective memory – then by all means go ahead.
Take a run scoring double off of his OPS because that’s what he just cost them. Oh, and BTW, his pitching staff has to face more hitters and throw more pitches. How many OPS points is that worth?
For people who follow modern defensive stats,
it’s tracked. It should NOT, however, affect his OPS, because OPS is exclusively a measurement of offensive capability. Not that OPS tracks “run scoring” anyway. If you want to balance out a player’s overall value, you’d have to use WARP or VORP or something like that.
Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.
comparison
Hairston 77 OPS+ Byrnes 74 OPS+
Byrnes 978 RZR 10 OOZ plays
Hairston 897 RZR in LF, 5 OOZ plays
Hairston 892 RZR in CF, 8 OOZ plays
Hairston total OOZ plays 13
Byrnes is the better defender. No doubt. But Hairston has clearly made a lot of plays “out of zone” utilizing his underrated speed
They have both sucked hairy moose balls on offense this year. But when adjusted for ballpark, they have been equally ineffective. The difference of course is the D Backs get to pay 30 million over the next 3 years to Byrnes while Hairston will make less than 2 million.
And don’t get me started on Quentin…......
Either one of Q or Hairston would have been better for the long term health of the tema’s roster construction and payroll construction.
But where would we be without the thrills and spills that EB brings on a nightly basis, right?
Oh...and one more thing
Since Hairston was traded on 7/28
187 AB .246/.294/.513 .807 OPS 12 HR 30 RBI WITH HALF HIS GAMES IN PETCO
Byrnes since July 28th
348 AB .236/.309/..376 .686 OPS 8 HR 39 RBI WITH HALF HIS GAMES IN CHASE
Oh….and 27 Steals 3 caught
So in roughly half as many at bats, Hairston has 4 more homers, 9 less RBI, and over 100 points more of OPS. I put Byrnes Steals in there to be fair. But if we are left to pick over the carcass of the “argument” of just how much LF defense and some steals are worth, are we EVER going to get to a point where you can justify a 3 year 30 million dollar deal??
This is the point that SOME people will never understand. Hairston is not hitting as well as I thought he would. This is true. But he’s still producing more than Mr. 30 million dollar man.
If given the choice between two mediocrities…..give me the cheap, disposable one….not the expensive one with a FREAKING NO TRADE CLAUSE who we are stuck with for 3 years, (or who will cause the team to eat a bunch of salary.
It amazes me how some people just don’t understand this simple point. Oh well…....
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