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Eric Byrnes and his hitting slump

At the game on May 13th, fans were booing Eric Byrnes for his failure to get a hit in the game.

Star-divide

I believe these were the same fans (or same type of fans) that threw the garbage on the field in the playoff game last year, making all of the true Dback fans look like fools.

With everything Eric does both on and off the field for his team , his fans and the community, he certainly does not deserve this type of treatment.

Let's leave this type of fan representation on the East Coast where it started and don't bring it to our house.

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That was the

lamest analogy I’ve seen since I left the MLB board.

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leaving

a lame, one sentence comment regarding someone’s opinion is both imature and unintelligent. If you have an opinion I would appreciate your using some form of maturity to include your reasoning for your opinion.

This way myself and others can make a more informed decision as to whether or not we want to take the time to read what you say.

by DbkFan on May 14, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No,

you are wasting my time with this drivel. Why waste more?

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

It's also imature(sic)

to misspell the word “immature”, while posting about somebody else’s supposed immaturity.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

I think it’s certainly easier to compare the people throwing garbage to the people who clamored and demanded that Eric Byrnes be resigned at any cost…..

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 14, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At any cost...

Moorad, do you see where that got us today?

It’s a contentious issue, no doubt.

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definition of lame:

“I believe these were the same fans (or same type of fans) that threw the garbage on the field in the playoff game last year, making all of the true Dback fans look like fools”

No, it is a post like this that make a certain DBack fan look foolish.

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with you. Booing your own team is lousy. Regardless of how you feel about a player’s contract or hitting slump, show some support.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on May 14, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You agree that those fans that do boo

are the scum of the Earth? How can you possibly equate the two groups?

gosh, maybe those that boo are child molesters too?

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course they are

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on May 14, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talk about overreacting

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on May 14, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ehh

why not?

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree people who threw trash on the fields are morons.

People who boo byrnes recognize keeping him in the lineup doesn’t give the team its best shot at victory. These are the educated fans, people who look at the facts that show that resigning Byrnes was a worst idea than new coke.

Don’t Tread On Me or others who boo the guy, he’s a big boy who can take it.

by Augie's Army on May 14, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, the New Coke actually tasted better

than the old coke.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 14, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, man, that stuff was great.

"Look, I'm not a financial expert or anything, but I'm pretty sure that a zeppelin is an excellent investment opportunity."

by kishi on May 14, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't even bring up New Coke

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on May 14, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not the booing type

but to compare it to throwing garbage is ridiculous.

I think fans are just finally fed up with an organization that’s fed us Eric “4th outfielder” Byrnes as team leader and face of the franchise. Byrnes was obviously signed because Moorad and Co. was more interested in keeping the fans happy than winning. It’s a frustrating things for fans to see that see this team on the cusp of another world series and know that the organization traded away a big cog in that machine away for a mediocre 30-year old with a t.v. show. And it’s not just a 50 at bat slump like the talking heads want you to believe – in 91 games and 365 at bats since negotiating his new contract he’s hit .233/.304/.378.

I wouldn’t boo Byrnes for being who he his, but I also don’t begrudge a fan that wants to let ownership know that the short-sighted, destructive attitude that led to his signing is unacceptable.

by dahlian on May 14, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Great Comment

Booing isn’t for everyone it’s a personal choice. The Army is full of booers and this is how we voice our displeasure.

It is NEVER acceptable to throw anything on the field.

by Augie's Army on May 14, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm almost always against booing our own players,

even Byrnes, and I’ve said this many times. But to compare fans who boo a member of their team to fans who dislike a ref’s call and respond by throwing dangerous objects on the field, on national TV, is a bit silly. It’s like comparing a barfight to the Rodney King riots.

But I really wish Byrnes would start performing less booably.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 14, 2008 4:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree

If a fan actually thinks that booing a struggling player will actual help that player and his team, that fan is ignorant. It’s not Eric’s fault AZ gave him a shit-ton of money.

by AZSEAfan on May 14, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Personally

I don’t think I’d ever boo a D-backs player. It’d be like booing a member of your own family. :-) But I certainly understand those that do, and it’s one of the few ways fans at large have to voice their opinion. [The only other one is not showing up, and that doesn’t do a very good job when it’s only a specific player involved]. It’s definitely an entirely different thing from throwing bottles onto the park, and while I respect DbkFan’s opinion, it’s a real stretch to make that claim.

I do find its highly ironic that Byrnes, who was signed to keep the fans happy, is now the target for fan criticism. I think part of the problem is Byrnes’ high profile. It’s one thing to slump, but to slump while The Eric Byrnes Show is on heavy rotation on Fox Sports AZ is rather more obvious. At least one person has expressed to me their view that he should “stop doing the f* show and get his f* ass back into the batting cage.”

Really, Byrnes holds the best solution in his own hands. Start playing like the guy who’ll earn more this year than any other position player, and the booing will cease. Simple as that.

by Jim McLennan on May 14, 2008 5:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Byrnes is a 30k guy

with a 10 million dollar paycheck.

There is NO WAY he was ever a 10 million dollar player. He did his best when he was that blue collar player some were so quick to fall in love with.
Is it his fault he got that big fat paycheck? Hell no. But he is resposible for his OWN performance on the field.
I have no problem expressing myself to anyone who is over paid and underperforming. I’m sorry if some here get offended that I would. Would it go over any better if I started bringing signs asking “Where in the World is Carlos Quentin?”
or for Gracie, “It’s Root! Root! Root! for the cubbies DBacks!
I guess I’m one of those east coast clods (actually mid west clod, but why quibble) that has no problem expressing my pleasure or displeasure with my team.

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 14, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definitely boo

oh, well that makes sense…. the guy is one of the highest payed players on the team and he hits like he is swinging a golf club up there.

by leemellon on May 14, 2008 5:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the game yesterday in the UD

and there wasn’t any booing until the at bat where he couldn’t bring in Upton from third. It was a combination of bad baseball (inability to score a leadoff triple) with his recent hitting woes.

Me personally, I don’t support booing your team, but equating someone who boos with someone who throws trash on the field is a little shortsighted.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on May 14, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to boo or not to boo

I do not think I have ever booed someone from my own team, but at the same time I will yell something derogatory or sarcastic at them (i.e. last year yelling wife beater at Callaspo when he comes to the plate. Just because he has the same colors on doesn’t mean you have to like them or support them…..and yes, I will boo my own family, probably more so than the Dbacks…haha

One thing I will say though is that booing is often times not just directed at the player. I can see several examples as to why Byrnes is getting booed. Sure, it all comes back to him not playing well, but here is my list of reason you could boo Byrnes and get away with it.

1. He will not sit or go on DL becuase of his bum legs and it is hurting his performance and the team in general
2. Moorad paid him way too much $$ and you are showing that you are smarter than the average fan and realize that this is not a $10M player
3. You are booing Melvin for not moving him further down the lineup or sitting him more often (last night is a bad example as he was in the 6 hole and he sat in Chicago, but you can still boo when he is in the 2 hole)
4. You are booing the outcome of the at bat. You do not need to boo the guy when he rips a line drive or gets robbed by a Short Stop on a great play, but when it is the same old big ass swing with a result of infield popup or a strikeout then he should be booed. I will also add that he should be booed when the pitcher has been wild and he is first pitch hacking at a ball in the dirt (not that I ahve an example, but it is vividly in my mind…haha)

These are just a few example of where I could see people doing this.

On a note regarding this post…the comparison of fans is stupid and I would even make the argument that the fan that is booing Byrnes is more likely a ‘true’ fan or at least follows the dbacks. Your average person that knows him from the past few years and doesnt watch every game will know that his average is down, but they do not know the extent of his troubles.

Also, I do not see this as an East Coast thing. Yankee fans will boo Arod when he is batting 300 with 30+ homers in a season. Byrnes is somewhere around 220, 3 and 14RBI…much different to boo a guy with those numbers than a guy with arod like numbers (oh and Delgado deserved to be booed earlier this year, but they shouldnt be mad when he doesn’t curtain call.)

by peeklay on May 14, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Instead of booing maybe we should whistle

is that better? It doesn’t seem as bad

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on May 14, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boo'ing is far too easy

Baseball fans need to start creating songs and chants rather then booing, be creative people! for a poor example….

His name is Byrnies and he stirkes out in the sand
We’d rather have Quinton just ask any sane fan

or

When I was just a little boy,
I asked Jeff Moorad what will our franchise be
Full of old veterans?
Full of young talent?
But here’s what he said to me
Qu cera cera
Whatever will be will be
I’m going to overpay Byrnesie
Qe Cera Cera

Ok im done gets his coat

by Wimb on May 14, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That second one was a good one

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on May 14, 2008 8:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I like.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 1:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The selective snark is getting very old. If it’s all about the money then hmmm…let’s see. RJ at 2 years $26mil and no outrage on that?

by foulpole on May 15, 2008 1:09 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When Byrnes becomes a first ballot HOF he might get a lil slack.

Or if he wins multiple MVP awards. Or when he is the World Series MVP.

Don’t be tugging on Superman’s Cape

by Augie's Army on May 15, 2008 1:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many MVP awards (or games) did RJ win last year?

by foulpole on May 15, 2008 2:27 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey foulpole!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m looking forward to hearing your reply to my post!

by dahlian on May 15, 2008 2:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more than bam bam

that much is certain

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 15, 2008 3:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you truly believe that RJ contributed more to our NL West Title last year than Byrnes did?

by foulpole on May 18, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Byrnes really add 5 wins last year?

Serious question. Dahlian? WARP?

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 18, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a reasonable estimate,

a 35 VORP, 10-15 runs on defense and a couple runs here or there from baserunning.

Of course, you don’t give people contracts because of what they’ve done. You give them contracts because of what they’re likely to do. If Byrnes has another season as good as 2007, I’ll eat my hat. Of course, I hope that he defies the odds and proves me wrong.

by dahlian on May 18, 2008 4:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and so are the excuses

for bam bam.

apples and oranges foulpole. RJ is a proven superstar. Byrnes is a solid blue collar journeyman.

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 15, 2008 1:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um,

we needed a pitcher. Would you have preferred that we signed Josh Fogg or Kip Wells instead?

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 2:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RJ's return

didn’t lead to the release of a better, younger, cheaper player who is now hitting .293/.404/.584 with 10 home runs and 34 RBI.

Randy hasn’t been great, but if he weren’t on the team Edgar Gonzalez would have been our number five starter. He’s overpaid, but a) he’s the greatest player in franchise history and b) they didn’t have to make the team worse to keep him here.

Overpaying for a player isn’t the end of the world if it’s a short term deal and the player doesn’t block anyone. Unfortunately, Byrnes’ contract doesn’t fit those requirements.

Also, have you watched Byrnes try to hit lately?!? The Rockies intentionally walked a twenty year-old to pitch to Byrnes with no outs and the bases loaded in the fourth inning of a tie game… And it was the right decision.

How many players in baseball history have ever had that said about them?

by dahlian on May 15, 2008 1:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

You're being slightly deceptive when you say "walked a twenty year-old",

because I think there are A LOT of pretty decent players that might see Justin Upton walked in front of them.

Other than that, I agree with everything you said here.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 1:40 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

defense

In case foulpole missed it, Salazar also entered the game as a defensive replacement for Byrnes in the bottom of the 9th tonight. Apparently Melvin doesn’t even think he’s the best defensive option at this point. Hard to see why he’s still out there nearly every game. At least he’s been moved down to 6th, though 8th (or even 9th on a night like tonight when we’ve got Owings on the mound) would be my preference.

by manphibian on May 15, 2008 1:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In case foulpole missed it, Salazar also entered the game

I watched the game and did not miss the double switch in their 9th. We had a one run lead and Bam Bam was our last out in our 8th. The pitchers spot would have been due up 3rd in our 9th. Replacing Byrnes with Salazar and putting the pitcher’s spot 6th in the order was pretty much a no brainer there. Is it possible that there was something that you missed?

by foulpole on May 15, 2008 2:25 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

BoMel could have replaced Upton instead of Byrnes, had the pitcher’s spot come up fifth (with Miggy and Augie still ready for PH use) and still kept the $10 million man in the lineup.

If Upton is indeed a “3.5” on defense and Byrnes a “9”, this seems like the obvious move to make.

Thank god the Mad Scientist went against the conventional wisdom, because if Upton hadn’t been in there to cut off that double the tying run would have scored.

by dahlian on May 15, 2008 2:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except

that if it were solely for offensive reasons, there would be no reason to make a double switch during the top of the inning. If Byrnes were the better player on defense, he stays out there until Sally pinch hits in the bottom of the inning. Salazar is the superior player defensively—and right now, offensively, as well.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 2:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Maybe Byrnes is really not that good???

Upon the departure of fan favorite LF Gonzo the Diamondbacks may have reached a bit with their annointing of LF Eric Byrnes as a franchise player due to his fan appeal and outright hustle.

The problem is that his numbers don’t lie and they are not very good.

Here are his stats since the 2007 All-Star break, you decide:

AB
421

Hits
102

Batting Average
.242

Home Runs
10

Runs Batted In
49

Slugging Percentage
.351

2008 Salary
$6,666,666

So, over the past 421 at bats Byrnes has only 10 homers, 49 RBI’s and a .242 batting average and he normally hits at the top of the order.

I’m not an Eric Byrnes basher. I love the effort he gives. The rapore he has with the fans, the great teammate he seems to be. I just don’t see him as the player that the Diamondbacks had hoped that he would become.

Interestingly, former Diamondback prospect Quintin Carlos (who earns $400,000)became the first AL hitter to reach 10 homers when he launched his first career grand slam yesterday in the White Sox win.

by Armchair GM on May 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

+1

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't remind us

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on May 15, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He WAS

a first round draft pick, remember? SOMEBODY with the Dbacks thought he would be….

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 16, 2008 1:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course,

not anyone predicts a prospect to be the best hitter in baseball, but myself and many others predicted Voldemort to be an all star caliber player.

I was a bit more optimistic than some, but I thought he would be as good a hitter as CoJack (lesser eye, but more power) while being a solid defensive right fielder. That’s an all star folks.

Compare his minor league stats with CoJack. They were lock step with each other in demolishing the minor leagues. He was stuck in the minors longer than CJ, but that owed more to Gonzo and Green than any fault of his own. The organization believed in him and even when he was mired in his slump last year, JB still openly considered him the outfielder of the future.

by dahlian on May 16, 2008 1:53 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Check out John Sickels' excellent blog...

“Minor League Ball” on this same network of blogs. He gave Q a straight A grade in 2006, rated him our #1 prospect ahead of Drew, Young, Upton, and CoJack, all A- grades.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2006/6/30/154910/031

by manphibian on May 16, 2008 5:42 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Argh!

Where is that picture of the dead horse?

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on May 16, 2008 7:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you're gonna complain about a post...

complain about srdmad’s ridiculous (and flat out false) assertion that nobody thought Q would be this good, which begged for a response. The replies say nothing of Byrnes, or the trade of Q, or anything else related to that, simply presenting indisputable cases of people projecting Q as a star in the making. For further proof, on the same minor league ball site I linked to you can find a community projection for Quentin before his rookie year; several people refer to him as a superstar, some others an all-star, and several project him for 30+HR as a rookie (and of course expect more out of him as he matures).
The “dead horse”, as Jim explained, is a comparison between him and Byrnes, and related talk of the trade and Byrnes contract. That is not at issue here. To quote the post the dead horse picture was in;
“we all know that at the moment, he is hitting better than Eric Byrnes. At this stage, repeating the fact really serves no useful or positive purpose – least of all, getting Byrnes back on track, which is what we want to happen. I like the phrase “Embrace the Suck” someone used in a comment: after all, Byrnes is not going anywhere so, good or bad, we might as well deal with it.”
Nothing in these responses brought up Byrnes until now, and I only bring him up to point out that his struggles are not at issue. Quentin would be just as good, and his performance just as expected, if Byrnes were also hitting like an all-star.

by manphibian on May 16, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good lord

Who woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

I was merely amazed to find this particular diary still going when I rolled into work this morning no need to jump on me like im Eric… oh wait ;)

I apologise for not reading all the comparisons in depth and for that I was wrong, but then again the header in the diary does relate to EB hence my “argh”

Some people are just getting a little edgy over this subject, I was only having a laugh, it seems the tone of posts doesnt come across well online it seems!

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on May 16, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry Mayor Wimby

that post does read more than a little over aggressive from me. My issue is purely with the asinine notion advanced by srdmad that people could not predict Q’s success (and for some reason repeated again later in the thread with a “were you saying this last year”, despite the irrefutable facts being presented that people have ALWAYS seen Q as a future star), not with anything Byrnes does. In fact my complaints around Byrnes so far this year have all been directed towards Melvin (of whom I’ve never been a fan) and his stubborn refusal to move him down in the order for such an extended period of time, while meanwhile jerking the younger guys up and down the order on a regular basis. I read your post as a gripe that I wouldn’t leave Byrnes alone and lost it a little :( Let’s raise a Guinness and forget it all

by manphibian on May 17, 2008 12:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worries :)

raises pint glass

Just for the record I loved Q, I really wanted to see ‘The Show’ but can’t seem to find it online :(

So...time for another drink then?

by Wimb on May 17, 2008 6:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you

write for Dennis Miller as a living?

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 16, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not yet- I’m working on a demo reel to go with my application.

"Look, I'm not a financial expert or anything, but I'm pretty sure that a zeppelin is an excellent investment opportunity."

by kishi on May 16, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where all you people still saying this last year.

I will trust the team over you guys.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No,

this would STILL be an issue, because even if Byrnes were to play the entire year this year the way he did before the ASB last year, his overpriced signing STILL pushes Quentin out of here. Byrnes has ALWAYS been a first half player—and he was again last year too.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

[...............]

That’s me not saying something rude to srd I’d regret later.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

srdmad;

Let me remind you what the subject of this specific string of replies is; you said “There’s no way in hell that anyone predicted that Q was going to be this good.”. If you take a look, you’ll see all of these posts are nested within that one (ie in response). Byrnes could be having a career year, it wouldn’t change the FACT (and it is a fact, not an opinion) that many people have seen Q as a star all along. The post I linked to was irrefutably made long before Byrnes even got his contrct: it has nothing to do with EB’s performance.

by manphibian on May 17, 2008 12:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By "I will trust the team over you guys",

you mean, “I will trust the owner who resigns a player simply because he’s popular over the GM who’s more worried about winning.”.

Also, even the people who pay attention to the team who liked that Byrnes was resigned last year, ALL THOUGHT THAT IT WAS FOR TOO MUCH.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 16, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But will you trust the owner

whose previous two moves were trading for Shawn Green and signing Russ Ortiz?

Those were the last two deals that Moorad himself made in order to show the Arizona fans his commitment to winning.

by dahlian on May 17, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RDF

yeah, when you put it like that, what could possibly have gone wrogn?

by dahlian on May 17, 2008 11:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like

you’d make about as good a GM as Jeff Moorad.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 18, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not a QUESTION of "trusting the team".

Josh Byrnes made those moves, and THAT’S why they were successful. Jeff Moorad resigned Eric Byrnes, NOT Josh Byrnes. Moorad went AGAINST the GM’s wishes.

The moves our GM has made have generally been very good. The moves our sometimes-meddling owner has made have NOT been good.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 18, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where did they rate Nippert, Sergio Santos, or Travis Lee? Where did they rank Mark Reynolds, Chris Snyder or Micah Owings?

Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong.

by foulpole on May 18, 2008 3:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone claims that “no way in hell” could anyone predict Q’s success, we point out (many) people who not only could but actually did, and your retort is that sometimes they are wrong? No shit! srdmad wants us all to believe that Q came out of nowhere, just some mediocre prospect who defied the odds, something nobody could have seen coming. That is not even close to the truth.
Once again, these mentions of predictions are all in reply to the line “There’s no way in hell that anyone predicted that Q was going to be this good.” Again, it is an incontrovertible FACT that plenty of people did predict his success. I’m not saying a single thing about what that meant in terms of Byrnes’ contract or the eventual Q trade, I’m just sick of hearing that line; Q was, at least to some minor league enthusiasts, the most highly regarded hitting prospect in our whole organization a couple years ago. Argue all you want about how often those people are correct, it has no bearing whatsoever on my point. I’m not saying he was guaranteed to be great and had no chance to flop, just that his greatness is not the least bit unexpected to people who had been paying attention.

by manphibian on May 18, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I stopped reading after the first sentence.

Could you be more precise and shorten your thought. If Brynes was hitting 280 or something like that and Q had 3 homeruns, this would not be a topic. My point is that it was something not seen by most people and it was a mistake, nothing more, nothing less. I don’ t get why everyone has to get so angry about this.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 18, 2008 6:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No,

it was seen by most people. Most people that follow the minor leagues knew that Quentin profiled to be an all-star caliber player and they also didn’t think that 200 at bats while injured should have changed that assessment. Just because most casual fans only go by “what have you done for me lately” doesn’t mean that most fans here and elsewhere online didn’t take a reasoned, long-view approach to Quentin.

Young players struggle. We stuck threw it with Upton, Young, Drew, CoJack and are still doing it with Reynolds. We didn’t do that with Quentin and we got burned.

If Brynes was hitting 280 or something like that and Q had 3 homeruns, this would not be a topic.

Gee, ya think? And if Edgar Gonzalez was pitching like Brandon Webb no one would have complained about him being the fifth starter. Things are what they are. Quentin is playing like the superstar that the general manager of this organization thought he could be and Eric Byrnes is playing like the player that was cut by the Rockies and Orioles.

If only Byrnes was playing like an above-replacement level player like he is hypothetical world.

by dahlian on May 18, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Things are what they are.

What was Q last year and the years in the bigs. An injured guy who didn’t exactly light up the stat sheet. Therefore we traded him. Once he gets hurt again this conversation will end.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 20, 2008 5:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find it odd

that you see fit to hold Q responsible for being injury-prone, when Byrnes is the one being dragged down by injuries right now.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 20, 2008 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find it odd

that all you people are bashing Byrnes, when he is injured.

Brandon Webb, do I need to say more?

by srdmad on May 20, 2008 6:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could be

because he’s making $10 million, our other LF option is kicking ass in the AL, he’s playing horribly, and he won’t go on the DL.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 20, 2008 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skins, Dahlian, et al… may I suggest you relent? I couldn’t agree more, but you ain’t changing srd’s mind, and trying to do so is just gonna make you more and more irritated.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 20, 2008 6:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, cue dead horse.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 20, 2008 7:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Non sequitor.

And if you read that MiLB post, it mentions Micah as one of our top prospects.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 19, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your ideas are intriguing to me

and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

by dahlian on May 15, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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