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Updating EB vs Q, Vs. Hairston D backs Watch

Jim hasn't had time lately to update this section of the site, so I thought I would lend a helping hand, and add a little "nuance" to things.  ;)

OPS+ since the begginning of the  2008 season:

Quentin 161  OPS+

Hairston 91 OPS+

Byrnes  70 OPS+

 

Unadjusted Raw numbers

Quentin:  149 PA's,  .288/.403/.568 9 HR  29 RBI  3 SB  2 CS

Hairston:   121 PA's  .229/.277/.431  5 HR  11 RBI   1 SB  0 CS

Byrnes:  159 PA's,  .226/.289/.377   3 HR  15 RBI  4 SB, 2 CS

 

Note:  Q plays in a very homer friendly home park, and of course Chase helps inflate offense too, while Petco is the most extreme pitchers park in baseball, so providing both OPS+ and the unadjusted numbers helps add a little depth and clarity to the comparison. (Jim, might I suggest adding OPS+ to your line as you update throughout the season?)

And finally, since the day Hairston was traded, July 28th,  here is the comparison between Byrnes and Hairston. (Q played very little after July 28th  last year so I didn't bother sticking him in here.)

Hairston  217 PA's,  196 AB    .255/.304/..526  13 HR  31 RBI  1 SB, 0 CS, 1 GIDP

Byrnes  392 PA's,  356 AB's,  .233/.306/.374  8 HR  39 RBI, 27 SB, 3 CS, 13 GIDP

Hairston aint all that, I agree.  He's not as good a hitter as I thought he'd become. But he's still a better hitter than Byrnes.  EB is a better fielder, by far, but Byrnes would have to play LF, CF, & RF all at the same time to earn that 3 yr. 30 million contract,  and be worth the difference between what they are paying him and what they could have been paying Q or Hairston.    Since the day he signed  that extension,  he's totally sucked, and the numbers prove it CONCLUSIVELY beyond any reasonable form of debate or argument.  He got that extension on the strength of a two month hot stretch in May and June that hoodwinked ownership into thinking he was better than he really was.  What a shame. What a waste.

Signing Byrnes cost this team Q, and cost this team Hairston, and saddled themselves with an albatross.   I'm sure he'll hit better than he has lately.......he's not as bad as his last 3 weeks, but look at those numbers over his last 400 times to the plate folks.  Get used to it, cuz it just won't get much better than that.  A little maybe, but not much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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One minor nitpick

I don’t think it’s fair to say that signing EB cost this team Hairston. Hairston was traded on July 27th while the EB contract was announced on August 7th.

My guess is that poor performance plus Upton’s meteoric rise through the minors last season made Hairston expendable. Of course, if you want to get all conspiracy theory, the “greatest walkoff homerun in human history” was hit on July 26th. The problem with that is JB has shown that he doesn’t want a right-handed fourth outfielder. A Hairston back up to Quentin-Young-Upton outfield would have been even worse than a Quentin back up to a Byrnes-Young-Upton outfield.

Hairston would have been out regardless. Thankfully too, because the Byrnes signing looks bad enough on its own, thank you very much.

by dahlian on May 13, 2008 4:17 PM EDT   0 recs

It's not exactly conspiracy theory

The contract signing wasn’t announced until August 7th, but it was being discussed well before then, and the ownership made a decision to get it done before even the Hairston trade. Then, after the walkoff HR by Byrnes on the 26th, Moorad went up to him and told him they needed to sit down and work out the extension “Like Men” (direct quote from the press conference)

I concede that Hairstons own performance up to that point, and his right handedness played a role as well.

by shoewizard on May 13, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I meant conspiracy more in terms of,

JB knew a contract was done, but traded Hairston before it was announced. I agree with your assessment of the signing itself and the situation surrounding it.

I still believe, however, that even without the Byrnes signing, Hairston would have been traded. If they wouldn’t keep Quentin around as a 4th outfielder, why would they keep an older, worse defender with the same handedness and just as sketchy track record of hitting major league pitching.

by dahlian on May 13, 2008 11:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We also landed on the moon.

I think the debate between Byrnes or Q has been run into the ground. People who look at it objectively can’t help but see the obvious.

Q > Byrnes

The majority of fans get it but it is always nice to see facts supporting the theories one has.

The question is does Byrnes get the Russ Ortiz treatment? Do we release him at some point during his contract and let him move on?

by Augie's Army on May 13, 2008 4:46 PM EDT   0 recs

or pray and hope..

..that he goes on another hot stretch and deal him for a young pitcher?

by leemellon on May 13, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sunshine on a cloudy day

Thanks for cheering us up Shoe. Appreciate the info though.

by AZSEAfan on May 13, 2008 4:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Because I'm lazy

and don’t want to look up stats, what were the comparable numbers from before July 28? How did Byrnes stack up against Q and/or Hairston? Was he a LOT better than they were when he signed the big contract?

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on May 13, 2008 5:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Of course Byrnes had better numbers at that point

But that didn’t justify giving him that extension. That has ALWAYS been the point.

Byrnes was a great pickup and a good bargain for the two years before the extension. The extension was a bad idea, and it’s not hindsight calling it such. Myself and MANY others are on record as stating it was a bad idea, and gave very detailed explanations as to why. The short of it is you don’t overpay for 30 something league average outfielders on the basis of two hot months. Just because Byrnes had better numbers at that moment in time doesn’t justify the thought process that led to the signing.

by shoewizard on May 13, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Indeed… many were on this bandwagon long before the $30M man starting sinking like the Titanic. The fact of the matter is that with four of our top prospects manning the OF (Q, Hairston, Upton, Gomez) signing Byrnes to a big extension was ludicrous. As much as I’m against overpaying for Hudson this offseason, at least one could argue position scarcity for that poor move.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 13, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I should have said 5 of our prospects (Young being the 5th)

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 13, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A great example of how expendable Byrnes is was demonstrated by Wilkerson getting cut by the Mariners recently. How many of us think Byrnes is a significant upgrade over Wilkerson… anyone?

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 13, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Trust a Mariners fan

Wilkerson would be a significant downgrade. Especially on defense.

by AZSEAfan on May 14, 2008 6:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Re-reading what I wrote I wasn’t clear… my argument was that Wilkerson is not a significant upgrade over Byrnes in terms of bang for the buck. At least Wilkerson was a one year contract (at what, 4, 5M?). Heck, that’s a bargain. At least they could cut their losses with him.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 14, 2008 9:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True

but guys like Wilkerson (or Byrnes, for that matter) are floating around every AAA squad. Freely available cheap talent should have been the way to go instead of EB or Wilk, or any other over-priced FA LF’er. The big difference between the Ms and AZ is payroll. Seattle can afford a goof and just DFA a guy, AZ doesn’t have as much wiggle room.

by AZSEAfan on May 15, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

couldn’t agree more… just trying to say how readily available they are…

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 15, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Amazing

how two people can be saying the exact same thing and one just doesn’t get what the other is saying. I’m that guy.

by AZSEAfan on May 16, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It may not justify the thought process, but it sheds some light on it. Once you add in the “intangibles” such as clubhouse presence and fan appeal, then one can begin to understand it. It may in fact be an outrageous contract - and there are many of them in MLB, even in our own division - but when one takes into account all the angles, it begins to come into focus.

And I believe you misread my simple question as an attack on your point. It was not. It was indeed just a “what were the numbers because I don’t know?” question.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on May 13, 2008 8:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

“It may in fact be an outrageous contract – and there are many of them in MLB, even in our own division”

COUGH JIM EDMONDS AND ANDRUW JONES COUGH

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 13, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not just about stats

Byrnes was good for this team while the young guys were getting used to the show! Quentin is doing better than Byrnes and will continue to do better than Byrnes but he stunk it up last year and was not going to help others develop.

Hairston sucks! There is no way he is a better player than Byrnes. Byrnes isn’t going to continue to bat in the .220 range Hairston is!

The deals have already been done! Byrnes isn’t going to sink our team! We can’t bring back Q now. If we can ship EB off somewhere in the next couple of years that would be OK too.

by DiamondbacksWIn on May 13, 2008 5:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Q was hurt

Was he even really given a chance? there was a valid reason why other teams weren’t giving EB a long term deal.

You can stand under my umbrella

by unnamedDBacksfan on May 13, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree that Q is better

But he is gone! I think that the front office wanted some veterans around to help the young guys develope. Do I think we will keep Byrnes around through 2010? No.

Hairston on the other hand just plain stinks. The only reason he is playing is because the Padres have great pitching but the everyday players stink.

by DiamondbacksWIn on May 13, 2008 6:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You don't think we'll keep Byrnes around through 2010?

I wonder which teams he’d agree to be traded to—he’s got a NTC in his contract.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 13, 2008 8:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Couple of years?

How about a couple of months? ;)

Also, I said that Hairston was the better hitter, not the better player. The question is….HOW MUCH better is Byrnes? Is worth 3 years, 30 million and no roster flexibility due to a no trade clause as compared to paying 400,000 a year and having full roster flexibility?

by shoewizard on May 13, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ditto

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 13, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

holy exclamation point, Batman!

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 13, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All this EB bashing is really getting on my nerves

It makes me laugh alot how little of this was mentioned a few weeks ago, remember Byrnes not shaving when he went on that hitting streak?

Now all of a sudden the team struggles a bit and woaaaahhh lets all jump on the EB cost of Q the greatest LF on the plane bandwagon.

So CQ has had a great start to the season, how the heck do you know he would have done the same here? maybe the medical treatments were different with the Sox, maybe he’s more comfortable mentally without the pressure of being a ‘franchise’ player tthat he was hyped here as. If you ask me the fact that he was traded for an A ball 1b probably took a heck of alot of pressure off the guy. Now ask yourself how he feels about replacing a guy who a large section of the crowd idolised (rightly or wrongly) Again Im not suggesting he would have ‘bottled it’ and put up poor numbers but that’s a real possibility. Another point is that how can you judge a guys influence on the locker room? Byrnes is clearly respected and well liked in the locker room and if that helps the younger guys a little then that’s got to be a good thing.

But that’s not my biggest gripe about this whole crusade some people seem to have here against Mr Byrnes. What REALLY annoys me is the fact that people are pressing the panic button within 1/12 if this contract extension. If Byrnes is hitting 220 come the end of the season yes I’ll say we maybe need to make a move but come on this isn’t even the All Star break! Add to this the fact that management and Byrnes himself have admitted he’s carrying an injury which isn’t going to help his rhythm or confidence.

Now does all of what I’ve just said mean we SHOULD have given Eric the money? maybe I don’t know, the point is nobody is going to know for 3 years so we might as well sit back and encourage the guy rather then wait for his downfall just to say “I told you so!”

Argh, it just drives me nuts, cut the guy a break rant over

by Wimb on May 13, 2008 6:59 PM EDT   0 recs

Go back to the board last year when EB (and before) was signed to this contract. This isn’t hindsight… this is merely several of us pointing out that we were, in fact, correct…. kind of like when several of us complained about the Uggla mistake. If we’re going to complain about it at the time, we should be able to revisit the issue and see whether we are right or wrong.

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 13, 2008 7:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My problem isn't with Eric Byrnes

My problem is with the thought process that went on behind signing him. He was signed for PR reasons, not baseball reasons. I stood 3 feet from the owner and listened to him explain that they signed EB because they didn’t want to upset the fans two years in a row after the problems they had with letting Gonzo go. Those fans that stomped their feet and demanded Byrnes get resigned or they wouldn’t renew their season tickets, or stop watching the team, are equally responsible for this error.

And we are not talking about just 1 1/2 months. Why do you ignore the entirety of the evidence put forth before you?

Since agreeing to that contract 10 months ago, and almost 4 months worth of play here is what you have gotten:

Byrnes 392 PA’s, 356 AB’s, .233/.306/.374 8 HR 39 RBI, 27 SB, 3 CS, 13 GIDP

And that doesn’t include his 3 for 17 in the post season.

Clearly there are MANY MANY MANY people that STILL don’t get it…....despite all the obvious evidence. So until they do…..and for as long as Byrnes is mediocre, or average at best, which is likely to be the length of the rest of his time here, you are are going to hear about it.

by shoewizard on May 13, 2008 7:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're both missing my point

This is a 3 year deal and everyone is jumping to conclusions after 6 weeks into his extension. You can’t even include the back end of last year if you’re going to evaluate this deal fairly. You have to forget the last 2 months of last season as that was under his old deal and this debate seems to be on Erics new deal.

As for the evidence put before me… well that doesn’t help me to evaluate the worth of his deal, all it shows me is that 6 weeks into the season he’s not up to standard, are you saying Ryan Howard sucks because of his start? what about Jason Verlander? Clay Bucholz isn’t doing too well in Boston and TroyBoy sucked until he went onto the DL. Now are you going to judge all of those guys to their contracts based on 6 weeks?

My point was that you can’t judge right or wrong until his contract ends (or at least gets traded) but my bigger gripe was with all this negativity and bitching. Sure everyone has a right to say that it was a mistake I whinge with the best of them! and yes I was around when this contract was signed and read what was said at the time and saw the conflicting opinion then.

This whole PR thing stinks too. I don’t agree with signing players JUST for the sake of PR but you are naive if you think that PR isn’t very important in building a successful franchise. Because guess what if the fans don’t show up to the stadium there isn’t any money to sign these young players when they hit arbitration and free agency and more to the point who wants to play in front of 15,000 fans a game? See the Marlins and Rays for good examples of this. Oh and before anyone starts No i don’t think Eric is the reason for 10,000 extra fans a game I’m just saying having a charismatic and popular figure at the club can’t do any harm.

Above all I just find it bitterly sad that a section of this board seems to be rejoicing in someones failure.

by Wimb on May 13, 2008 7:37 PM EDT   1 recs

I don't think ANYONE is "rejoicing in Byrnes' failure".

I think that mostly, it’s more a lot of smugness on our parts, in terms of, “See!?? I TOLD you it was a mistake!!” But as Dbacks fans, I don’t think a single one of us is rejoicing that Byrnes has struggled since then. I think that I speak for the majority of us who thought it was a mistake at the time when I say that, I would MUCH rather have Eric Byrnes play to his All-Star caliber 1st half 2007 numbers and bite the bullet and admit that I was wrong, than have to watch the guy embarrass himself and the team on a daily basis. When your team awards somebody that kind of money, the expectations on them are higher than they would be for, say, Scotty Hairston. C’mon Wimb, even you have to admit that he hasn’t performed to anywhere NEAR the level you expected this year?

Eric Byrnes is not a bad player. Eric Byrnes, for $30 million over 3 years, is a bad contract. For what it’s worth, I still enjoy The Eric Byrnes Show, though.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 13, 2008 8:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh I agree Skins

Im not saying he hasn’t sucked recently, I just have problems writing off the guy based on 6 weeks, I groan just as hard as anyone else when he hacks out lately :(

I’d just people save the I told you so for later in the season :D

by Wimb on May 13, 2008 8:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

-1

Just on the comment that you still enjoy The Eric Byrnes Show ; )

by dstorm on May 13, 2008 9:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Strawman

I am not rejoicing in Byrnes failures. I feel complete and total frustration. Please don’t assign emotion to me that I have neither felt nor expressed. That is your own projection.

As far as evaluating the extension:

I evaluated the extension at the time it was given out, in JULY OF 2007. Given every aspect of the situation, meaning

A.) Byrnes track record and history
B.) All objective projections that could be put forth for him
C.) The makeup of the 40 man roster at the time as well as the minor league depth chart
D.) The teams finances, and how they had to piece together payroll construction going forward.

When taking ALL of these factors into account, and looking at the options available to the team, it was readily apparent that this was an ill advised contract extension.

You say that “you can’t use last year” to evaluate him? Well, I sure can when it comes to projecting what he will do going forward.

If you don’t think that his last 400 at bats, even if spread over two seasons, is relevant to trying to get a handle on what he is going to in the future than I really don’t know how to communicate with you.

Eric Byrnes has never been more than a league average hitter over an entire season at any point in his career. Last year he added value with his defense and his baserunning, but it was even projected that he would likely lose value in these areas as he got older and his legs/speed inevitably saw some decline. I am surprised it has happened this soon into his deal, but it’s happened.

Bummer.

by shoewizard on May 13, 2008 11:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You say that "you can’t use last year" to evaluate him? Well, I sure can when it comes to projecting what he will do going forward.

If you don’t think that his last 400 at bats, even if spread over two seasons, is relevant to trying to get a handle on what he is going to in the future than I really don’t know how to communicate with you.

Forgive me me knowledge of how to use quotes on the board isn’t the best :(

I apologise if i’ve tagged people for wallowing in his failures if that wasn’t their intentions but you have to admit some posters do seem to almost enjoy seeing him struggle just to say “I told you so” Also I didn’t suggest for a second that you couldn’t use last year, 2 years ago or whatever stats you want to evaluate Byrnes as a player in general, how else are you going to do it? It certainly makes a lot of sense when evaluating the worth of handing out the contract AT THE TIME and heck if anything I fall on your side and say that 3 years was a mistake given his career in general but as has been said before, this contract was about more then just numbers.

My only thought throughout this entire debate (which I think has been pretty fun) was that you can’t make a judgementon on the decision to give him the 3 year deal until after he’s completed a sizeable chunk of the 3 year deal itself. Again talking about cars, if you buy a used car and say you’ll pick it up in 3 weeks time do you take into account the performance of that 3 weeks where you owned it but didn’t actually drive it? No you’d make your judgements of the car based on how it performed when it was actually in your possesion.

Byrnes sucks right now no question whatsoever but other players suck over a period of time, heck some players just have a totally down season only to rebound even into their thirties, Manny is showing that right now in Boston. Im only hoping that we haven’t wasted the Byrnes money!

And if we have im sure the Giants will take him ;)

by Wimb on May 14, 2008 6:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The point is that a ton of people knew this was an awful contract before the ink even dried. Players don’t get better going into their mid-30’s, for the most part they peak between 27-30. We were even talking about this during his hitting streak.

All of the players you named are in their 20’s, and many aren’t even eligible for arbitration yet. They are absolute bargins and any team would take at a moment’s notice. How many would take Byrnes???

Say you buy a used car and you take out a three year note to pay for it. 6 months later the engine is shot and it is clear the car’s best days are behind it. Are you going to wait 3 years before admitting it was a mistake to buy it?

You know what builds PR? WINNING if you do that everything else takes care of itself. Go looks at Tampa’s attendance numbers…...way up bcause they are finally winning.

by Augie's Army on May 13, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I take your points

And as I’ve been saying I’m not saying it won’t turn out to be a mistake, I’m just concerned everyone is jumping the gun just a little bit. If we use your car analogy then you wouldn’t write off the car within 6 weeks based on engine trouble, especially if you then found out that the engine had niggling problems that could be contributing to its bad performance ;)

My point about the other players I named was that you wouldn’t jump to conclusions based on a 6 week set of stats. Yes I know Eric is older then most of those guys but at his age his attributes won’t just fall of a cliff especially as he has never relied on one particular attribute ie power or speed.

I accept also that winning does build attendance levels but that alone won’t do it, you still need something interesting to watch. What’s more fun, seeing Co-Jack hit 3 singles and knocking in 3 RBI’s or seeing Eric make some sort of suicidal dive against the wall? I don’t want this to turn into an argument about why/how people should watch/enjoy baseball I’m just saying that flair and charisma does help build a decent franchise and get bums on seats.

Overall I think I’ve made my point. I’m not pro or anti Byrnes, I just hope to see the team get some value from the contract they awarded be it value on or off the field. More importantly I just want to see the team do well in the season which at the moment they are doing. I’ll save the finger pointing for when the season is all done and dusted ;)

by Wimb on May 13, 2008 10:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Q is obviously playing out of his mind at the moment

Let’s give Q a full season and get Byrnes healthy to really make a comparison -

Wimb, I actually think your arguments and points here are well-taken – I think his staying here has a bit more to do than pure talent – and involved a lot of strategy with having a face the fans could identify with – right or wrong.

I actually really enjoy watching Byrnes play when he is healthy – but, the numbers don’t lie.

by dstorm on May 13, 2008 9:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Q's performance..

Isn’t paticularly out of line, if you look at his minor league numbers. So he had a bad rookie year. We should have never traded him for a bag of beans. We should have never signed a bag of beans to a 30 million dollar contract. Thanks Jeff, I bet you’re really getting your money’s worth.

by Zephon on May 14, 2008 12:31 AM EDT   0 recs

Byrnes' swing dips when his legs aren't 100%

When he gets leg fatigue after mid season the dip gets worse and his hitting suffers even more. His legs have both been grinched since spring training. So, if Burnsie goers on the DL and gets both legs healthy, he might have a good (though atypical) second half for once.

by nargel on May 14, 2008 1:40 AM EDT   0 recs

Don't tell that to Byrnes...

"Have I ever had a bad two weeks? I’ve had terrible two weeks in my career. Like it or not, that’s the type of player that I’ve been. I’ve gone two weeks of struggling and then I’ll go two weeks of being the best player in the game… I wouldn’t be out there if I didn’t think I can help the team."

by dahlian on May 14, 2008 2:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not just 2 weeks.

He has been swinging from the shoulders since mid spring training. The leg pain issues are not breaking news. They were mentioned last month in the Repulsive fer Gawds sake. Byrnes was quoted as saying “I’m just going to have to work through the pain”.

As both my cats say, “Ur doin it wrong”. Get healthy=play better is not rocket science.

by nargel on May 15, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow....

Suddenly, I feel a bit like a pawn in some Cold War between Dhacks’ blog and DiamondbacksBullpen.

As usual, ‘Hacks may be pursuing his point a little vociferously, but actually, I agree.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 14, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Leave it

to ‘Hacks to come down on the side of intellectual diversity.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 10:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So

An OPS+ marginally above 100 for 3 out of 5 years is worthy of his contract? What is your definition of OPS+? My thing is that if he’s injured, he needs to man-up and sit his ass down until healthy. He is obviously not helping this team in his current condition.

by AZSEAfan on May 14, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At this point,

I’m just going to step back and wait for either ‘Hacks or shoe to prove Godwin’s law.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It should be noted...

That while CQ plays in a very homer friendly park, that he has hit a vast majority of his homers on the road (70%). Undoubtedly, he has hit well at home, he has yet to flash his power there, which is a little scary.

by Lawstudent201088 on May 15, 2008 8:51 AM EDT   0 recs

I don't know how homer-friendly the rest of the AL Central is. Anyone?

We knew he was going to be a monster, though. He just couldn’t show it last year.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 10:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

not very

Here you are

They rank this way:
2008 2007
US Cellular, Chi (9) (9)
Comerica, Det (10) (13)
Progressive, Cle (12) (4)
Kauffman, KC (24) (15)
Metrodome, Minn (29) (28)

"There are only two seasons: winter and baseball"
-- Bill Veeck

by njjohn on May 15, 2008 11:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At the same time,

see my FanPost from last night. HRs are down across the board in the AL, but Q is still a young buck, unlike a lot of AL sluggers. The 2007 numbers, while not necessarily impressive, might be more relevant.

Max Scherzer is all out of bubblegum.

by DbacksSkins on May 15, 2008 11:17 AM EDT