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Gameday Thread, #27: 4/29 vs. Astros

Mrsnakepit_tiny by Jim McLennan on Comment 529 comments

Houston Astros @ Arizona Diamondbacks


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Jack Cassel
RHP, 1-0, 5.40
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Edgar Gonzalez
RHP, 1-1, 4.66

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Another largely-unknown starter goes for Houston - it's only Cassel's sixth career start, with just 27.2 major-league innings to his name, even though he'll be 28 before the season ends. He's replacing the injured Wandy Rodriguez, and got the win in his only previous outing, allowing seven hits and three earned runs in five innings, as the Astros beat the Reds.

We send out Edgar Gonzalez, who has been remarkably consistent, allowing three earned runs during each of his last three outings - though ended up with a loss, a no-decision and a win in them. A 4.66 ERA is not bad for any #5 starter - and if Edgar falters early, we may get to see the debut of eagerly-anticipated prospect Max Scherzer. He pitched 23 innings for Tucson, with a 1.17 ERA and a stunning K:BB ratio of 38:3. However, any decision there may depend on how Micah Owing's bullpen session goes - he rolled his ankle running the bases during his last start. With an off-day Thursday, he'll have an extra day to recover.

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Today’s lineup:

C. Young cf .225
S. Drew ss .272
O. Hudson 2b .260
C. Jackson 1b .345
M. Reynolds 3b .255
J. Upton rf .323
J. Salazar lf .304
C. Snyder c .217
E. Gonzalez p .167

Wolf moves up to the 2 hole and Salazar gets the start in order to rest Bam Bam’s hammys against the RHP.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Those other guys:

K. Matsui 2b .256
M. Bourn cf .198
M. Tejada ss .337
L. Berkman 1b .312
C. Lee lf .260
G. Blum 3b .206
J. Cruz Jr. rf .087
J.R. Towles c .193
J. Cassel p .500

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh-oh

Speaking of pitchers you might want to pitch around… =)

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 8:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This year Cassel is 1-2 with a single and 2-10 career. I wouldn’t worry too much about him. ;-)

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 8:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't argue with unarguable statistics!

He’s batting .500, man! You can only stop him half the time!

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 8:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops

(2nd inning comment). This is your fault, foulpole.

by britdback on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cassel's hit...

I felt was inevitable given your comment and the awesome jinx power this site seems to have at the moment.

by britdback on Apr 29, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol Edgar had nothing to do with any of those hits? If anything we need to get some kind of super deluxe, antigravity, other worldly mojo for Ed-it’s-Gon. ;-)

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

soco's keys to the game

1) Grab me an egg burger at Fatburger with the missus
2) Stop by a store to get an ice pack for the missus’ busted hand (nothing I did, I swear!)
3) Come home for some D’backs baseball
4) Dread tomorrow
5) Dessert?

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why, what’s tomorrow? :(

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DbacksSkins tracks soco down to find out what happened to mrssoco’s hand. =)

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I'm right here

not like I’m hiding.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 8:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh it's ON......

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Inventory at my work

I’ll be there till the wee early of the morning

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh

You have my sympathies. I have not-fond memories of doing inventory at a previous job. Two weekends a year, and the majority of the staff has to stay until that point when it’s no longer too late at night, because it’s now too early in the morning.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Marlins are flashing some leather in FL and are knotted up at 6 with the Dodgers going into the bottom of the 6th.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 8:51 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Radres are in Phil. and trailing 2-1 in the bottom of the 7th.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They're definitely NOT

the Radres

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Philly has blown this one open and now lead the Padres 7-2 through 7.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Idea for Drew's nickname

Quickdraw?

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WHOA--

was that Jim rocking out on the commercial??

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed it!

What commercial? I can rewind..

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 9:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Commercial montage for "Oh, that Byrnes", before they asked the question.

It looks like they have a very brief clip of Jim rocking out. I think it’s clear enough that when you get to the spot, you’ll know it.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will have to keep an eye open for that!

I await ‘charmer’s opinion on this matter.

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 9:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd have to see it again to be positive,

but I’d say I’m 75% sure.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now I'm very curious.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It looked like

Jim standing up, headbanging, flashing the sign of the devil.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I demand evidence via YouTube.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're going to have to ask 'Charmer.

I don’t have any way of getting ahold of it.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do or do not! There is no try!

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry Jim, it's not you

This guy wasn’t blond and was larger than you.

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh well.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How Funny

MLB Gameday Audio is playing the Suns Game instead of the Dbacks game - Oops

by dstorm on Apr 29, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember having the same problem with it last year. Great work, guys.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No!

Bad EdGon!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lead off bb to a speedy guy isn’t the way to start this one.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SNYDERMAN

guns down Kaz Matsui. Nice job.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matsui runs straight into the web spun by Snyderman!

by singaporedbacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 9:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Snyderman stops another thief!

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice play by Wolf to come up with that ball and make the tag.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

This wolf thing doesn’t work for me. He’s just Drew. I don’t think you can escape his essential Drewiness. We should just embrace it.

by britdback on Apr 29, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

+1-2-3-4-5

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And in other news

Hairston just hit his second homer of the game for the Padres, but they’re still down by three with only one out remaining in the ninth.

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, has he now peaked over the Mendoza line?

;-)

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.212 at time of writing

Of course, Carlos Quentin is hitting over .300…

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s nice to hear that Q has recovered from his sholder problems.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AKA the Hairston line

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Astros radio guys...

say missed hit and run. It look that way to y’all?

Phear T.S.'s Crawdaddies...

by TexSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, probably

They say he got a terrible jump.

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 9:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome.

Great way to start. I need a jinx to get the Astros going. Any takers?

Phear T.S.'s Crawdaddies...

by TexSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who did you get to jinx us??

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno.

There weren’t any takers.

Phear T.S.'s Crawdaddies...

by TexSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

it worked, whatever you did.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on, Edgon!

Stop auditioning for Scherzer to get a spot in the rotation!

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DAMMIT TURAMBAR!!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch!

We want Max…we want Max!

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uggg

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doh!

A double means we are now down 1 – 0…

by singaporedbacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gah...

killed by Drew’s traffic cone-esque range and a nubber that found the baseline.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huge

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have we heard any word on how Micah’s session went today?

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

from what I heard on the DBacks BP show.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What did they say? I only get to follow the games by Gameday right now.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

try the Astros feed

irritating but at least the right sport

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Melvin said

Micah is fine and will pitch as scheduled

by dstorm on Apr 29, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NIIICE K

of Berkman.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Forgive me...

but who the hell is this Gonzalez kid?

Phear T.S.'s Crawdaddies...

by TexSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edgar Gonzalez?

Guy we brought up through the system. Our #5/#6/swing man.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he doesn't get replaced in the rotation by Max Scherzer,

then he’ll certainly go back into the bullpen when Doug Davis finishes his cancer surgery rehab.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just increased his pitch count a lot though… May very well see Max today.

by singaporedbacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Edgar

The worst thing about Edgar isn’t how many runs he’s given up. It’s his peripherals and how he looks on the mound.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The worse thing about Ed-it’s-Gon is that he’s still on our roster. ;-)

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Robert S. posted stats on DBBP showing that Edgar had some of the worst peripherals in the NL. Huge WHIP, FIP, etc.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t need no stinking stats to tell me that he shouldn’t be wearing Sedona Red. 

;-)

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sandstone, with the ever-constant presence of ex-hippies.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yuppies, too.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity,

is Robert S. using just this season’s data?

With only four starts to his name, there’s still too much noise in the data.

Looking at last season’s numbers, his periphs were exactly what you would expect from a pitcher with an ERA in the high fours or low fives, i.e. a fifth starter.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I couldn't care less about peripherals.

Peripherals don’t win or lose games.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They predict future wins and losses.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what they said

about run differential.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So in your book

a one year outlier is more significant than 100+ years of positive correlation?

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In my book

how many runs the guy gives up IS more important than peripherals—which is what I was taking exception to at the other Phil.

More important than run differential is Win/Loss record.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But:

(1) Peripherals is the best predictor of ERA, especially given a small sample size like this season.

(2) It’s not like Edgar has a good ERA. After his first inning, his ERA is over 5 for the season.

(3) Edgar had a 5 ERA last season, and a career ERA of 5.8

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

He had an ERA in the low 4s

as a starter last year.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can slice statistics all you want. The bottom line is that Edgar hasn’t proven that he can be effective starter in the majors (especially in our ballpark where he gives up a lot of home runs). It wouldn’t annoy me that much if we didn’t have better options, starting with Scherzer and maybe even Petit.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather save Scherzer

and work on his development more before we let the whole league see him.

Anyway, the fact that EdGon’s ERA was much better last year when he started is particularly important in his case—he came in to pitch during A LOT of blowouts, to save the rest of the relievers.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree..

EdGon was very valuable as a inning-eater last year… He may not be an ace, but we still need a real innings eater.

by singaporedbacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you’re saying he wasn’t trying during those times? And we should discount that performance? I thought a major league pitcher always tries to retire hitters and not give up runs. If anything those situations might be easier because there’s less pressure, the other manager might not use pinch-hitters, etc.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, of course not.

But it’s a whole ‘nother story when the other team’s in a groove and has already scored a bunch.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well that sounds reasonable, but until it’s backed up by more evidence, I don’t see a good reason to discount it. Just looking at Edgar’s ERA has a starter seems to be slicing his statistics too finely. I’m not trying to slice Petit’s statistics favorably.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

then why was there such a steep difference last year between EdGon’s starting ERA and relieving ERA?

It’s like the old debate about whether closers do worse in a non-save situation.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Disagree,

it’s nothing like that.

If a closer can’t work themselves up to get outs in a non-save situation, then they should be pistol-whipped and told to suck it out.

They’re a reliever. Their job is to get outs.

Now relievers and starters, those differences are much more pronounced.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

::sigh::

I was making a rough analogy.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree,

there’s such a difference between having to get ready at a moment’s notice to pitch and being on a set routine and knowing days beforehand that you’ll be starting.

I think the whole “pitching to the score” or pitching in a blowout thing is overrated, though.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a good point.

I didn’t even consider the rotation issue.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A perfectly-serviceable #5 starter

He’ll never win the Cy Young, but he’s decent enough to fill out the back end of the rotation and/or be the long man in the bullpen. Is Petit better? Maybe, though his ERA coming in was actually worse than EdGon’s. As for Scherzer, there is no rush I can see to start his service clock, especially since he’d only be in the rotation until Davis returns – only two or three starts.

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 10:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I strongly prefer Petit. Petit is a year and half younger than Edgar. Petit pitched well in winter ball and spring training. Petit had a lower ERA last year and so far has a lower ERA this year (though small sample size). Petit has a high career ERA, but he only has 80 or so career innings and highly influenced by his rookie season (so is Edgar’s career ERA).

Scherzer has been called up. Hasn’t his service clock already started? Or at least, won’t his service clock start even if he pitches in the bullpen, which is what they’re planning to do now?

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really think

Petit has a slightly brighter future ahead of him, but EdGon is also out of options. I’d rather keep both in case of injury.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His clock starts when he’s put on the 25 man.

by foulpole on Apr 30, 2008 1:10 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His service clock has already started,

just by being on the ML roster.

And it doesn’t matter much anyways. I have a hard time believing that he won’t be on the opening day roster next year, so it won’t be a matter of a third of a season here, a half of a season in ‘09 and his arb clock starts in ‘10.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But it'd stop...

As soon as he goes back down. He is only 23 and has just 21 pro ball-games under his belt – that’s less than one-tenth the number of Justin Upton, though obviously starters will play less anyway. I’m just not convinced he is MENTALLY ready for the majors yet, despite the startling success he’s had. I’d rather get him a bit more polished and simply used to facing better hitters: four games above Double-A seems perilously rapid.

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay,

but that will only make a difference if for some reason he’s not able to start next season on the major league roster.

We’re past the point of the season where he can accrue a full season’s worth of eligibility and there is no difference between six years, two months on the roster and six years, four months.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that people are making to big a deal out of the service clock issue. Max is probably going back down when DD comes back (unless we can deal EdGon before hand) and his clock will stop.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who wants EdGon?

He’s a perfectly serviceable fifth starter, but can’t team just find guys like him in their AAA affiliate?

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ask Colorado...

...or any other team with a horrific pitching staff.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

But I’m not convinced he’s thatmuch better than someone they can call up from Colorado Springs.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perhaps not.

I think we’re soon going to see.

Their only good starter this year is Aaron Cook.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who wants EdGon?

The Land of Missfit Toys?

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True that. Or even Juan Cruz.

by foulpole on Apr 30, 2008 1:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can slice statistics all you want. The bottom line is that Edgar hasn’t proven that he can be effective starter in the majors (especially in our ballpark where he gives up a lot of home runs). It wouldn’t annoy me that much if we didn’t have better options, starting with Scherzer and maybe even Petit.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 7:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

True that. Or even Juan Cruz.

by foulpole on Apr 30, 2008 1:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cruz

was pretty inconsistent when he was a starter for us. I know he didn’t want to go to the bullpen, but coming out of the ‘pen, he has stretches where he is absolutely DOMINANT.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2008 2:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides,

just look at my signature. Would we rather see Freddy Krueger stuff every 5th day, or more often?

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 30, 2008 2:50 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skins,

You’re wrong. You’re just wrong.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dammit!! I'm wrong!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My opinion

In my mind, a player’s skill changes less than his numbers do, and peripherals, in my opinion, are a better predictor of skill, and while they obviously don’t win championships, they can forecast a pitcher’s true talent more than ERA and record.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on the peripherals

However, things like FIP, which don’t take defense into account, have their weaknesses too. I remember a long discussion with shoe, when we were doing the community projections, on how Arizona pitchers had ALL outperformed FIP – he didn’t think it’d happen again this year, but thus far, they collectively have the biggest gap in the NL.

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As dahlian mentioned before, it has been shown that peripherals have a stronger correlation year-to-year, which shows they show more skill, and less statistical variation, but you’re right, they do have some problems, like FIP’s inability to count the strength (fly balls/line drives/ground balls) of the balls hit off the pitcher.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

That’s my biggest gripe with FIP—it undervalues players like Webby who rely on the ground ball.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When the play-by-play data for each game is available for anyone, to show the velocity of batted balls, as well as the hangtime, there will be a Stastical Revolution v.2

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FIP misses more than just D. I’m not a big fan of it.

by foulpole on Apr 30, 2008 1:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The other thing is that run differential is only a good predictor of wins and losses early in the season. When you have a large enough sample size, your actual wins and losses become a better predictor.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you Joe Morgan?

“Peripherals don’t win or lose games.”

I bet you think a pitcher’s record is more important than ERA?

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be honest and serious...

I like WHIP to grade out pitchers. Funny that I say that and am a fan of the Astros. Some of their WHIPs look like ERAs.

Phear T.S.'s Crawdaddies...

by TexSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch....

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all makes so much sense now…

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dammit EdGon.

2-0.

CoJack almost made a great play to save the run, though, and get out of the inning.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, out of it, only down 2-0.

Now let’s get the offense working.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Blum on deck I can’t believe we let Lee beat us.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess what?

2 runs isn’t going to be enough to beat us, I don’t think.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And... WOW is this a far cry from last year

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are correct, sir.

Cassel isn’t a threat to go deep in the game.

Phear T.S.'s Crawdaddies...

by TexSkins on Apr 29, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lay seige to the Cassel

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Hah!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be frank, let’s punish him.

(Obscure?)

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

Astros pitcher is the brother of Patriots QB Matt Cassel, who was drafted after never playing a college down at USC.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I knew the spelling was the same but I didn’t realize they’re related.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't hath lie

If that makes any sense ;) I’m feeling like getting my Renaissance on after all this castle business.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wolf just missed one there.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice little bingo for O-Dawg.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey!

O-Dawg with a little Texas leaguer between center and left.

And…. what a surprise, he’s talking to the 1B.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He and O-Dawg are made for each other, then.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ODawg!

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GOODBYE BASEBALL!!

We get those two BACK baby!!!

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two run bomb for CJ!

Sweet!!!

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And

CoJack ties the game with his 4th of the year.

Like I said, 2 runs won’t beat us anymore.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CoJack!

Awesome!

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jack's back!

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's really nice

to be able to score more than about 1.3 runs per game this year.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scoreboard update

Padres 4
Phillies 7
Final

Dodgers 7
Marlins 6
Final

COL/SF about to start.

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damned Doggers

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colorado vs. San Francisco

I might have to sneak a peek between innings because I’m interested (for fantasy purposes and not) to see if Aaron Cook is the real deal, because he’s been great this year. Oh I forgot, he’s facing a Double A team. My bad. ;-)

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gah...

DBacks, Suns and Idol…

There is way too much must-watch t.v. on tonight.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For my money,

there’s only one broadcast worth watching there….

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right,

there’s only going to be one Neil Diamond week after all!

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was that Rex Chapman that they just showed on the screen?

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was Telly Savalas

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They showed a shot of a bald fan in the stands. He looked like Chapman to me.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And

play at the plate! HE’S OUT!!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice relay by Wolf!

Ed-it’s-Gon dodges another bullet.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DROOOO

guns him down at the dish!!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salazar's throw was so awesome

Perfect arc to Drew’s bullet to Snydes!! Maaan I love this team.

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Drewwwwww

saves

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting Numbers on CoJack

Throughout his career CoJack is .375/.390/.554 when swinging at the first pitch, which is a far cry from his career numbers of .285/.368/.452. For him, being aggresive is key.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What exactly does that mean?

What if he fouls it off? Is that scored as a hit or an out?

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 10:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant to say, when his at bats ends at the first pitch. My mistake.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be a strike.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It counts as nothing,

those “on the first pitch numbers” only count if the ball is put in play, which is why they’re just about useless.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how in the midst of our big long discussion about Edgar, he continues to give up hits and walks :)

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’s not getting any better.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he continues to give up hits and walks

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love

calling Jeff Salazar “Sally”. DEFINITELY works for him.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked Salazar Slytherin—makes him sound scary. It’s a little long, tho.

It's like living with a six-year old.

by 4 Corners Fan on Apr 29, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D'oh

GIDP for Salazar.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least some groundballs get through, unlike the mile-high pop-ups hit by someone I know (cough, cough, Byrnes, cough)

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Upton leads off with a single

Well, we must still score runs in any case to win… despite the preoccupation with EdGon…Score enough and most pitchers can win!

by singaporedbacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't use your Earth logic on us

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I think we’ll see Scherzer at some point today. Which is good news.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hudson>-(

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sucks at defense

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't his fault

You can’t expect him to cover second on that play…that’s on Drew for not covering/Reynolds for not throwing to first.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

Not Jackson’s fault?

You’re clearly not trying hard enough. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Apr 29, 2008 10:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

CoJack shoulda turned that into a quadruple play. CoJack sucks.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that was a mistake by Reynolds

But, neither Drew nor Hudson would’ve been able to get to the bag, so that was just a weird play all around.

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great...

Now its bases loaded with 1 out..

by singaporedbacksfan on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd take bases loaded with 1 out

over a runner on 2nd with 1 out. :-\

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well in retrospect, SURE

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh oh.

Full count turns into a walk. Bases loaded.

REALLY need a double play here.

And….. Bryan Price just said “Max” into the phone. (Seriously. You could hear him)

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHA

I heard that too, but that sounded like a dad looking for his kid.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like roadkill?

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

We, roadkill probably can’t give up as many runs as EdGon.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunno.

Roadkill’s fastball ain’t what it used to be.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Max should’ve started this game in the first place

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So 6 runs in 3 innings was a good result?

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 11:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In retrospect, no

but that’s in retrospect.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's 20-20, after all.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There were a million reasons at the time to think that Scherzer would’ve been a better option. Starting with Edgar’s peripherals this season, ERA this season, ERA last season, and career ERA.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 11:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still

think it was the right decision.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch!!

That really hurts.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sucky!

I have been colonized.

by mrssoco on Apr 29, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And three runs come in

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no oh no oh no

All the runners score…. bad fielding by Jeff…. :/

by snakecharmer on Apr 29, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EdGon

gives up a bases loaded double.

We can still win this game, but it’ll be rough, and we need to not give up anymore runs.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's only the third?

Still got a lot of baseball to play.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim and everyone else: I’m right about Edgar. Just admit it.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What was the original argument?

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it was

that in his first four starts, his peripherals weren’t good.

by dahlian on Apr 29, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, yeah

Can’t argue with that. He does long relief well, but as a starter he makes me ill

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well if that was the argument,

then I’m not quite sure what we were arguing about…. I think we all agree on that.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well maybe I haven’t done it on this board, but I’ve lobbied for some time on DBBP for Edgar to be taken out of the rotation.

by Philip from LA on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we'd all love that

and with Scherzer coming up we might get our wish. Unfortunately if Max doesn’t work as a starter it becomes a “who the hell do we put in there until DD comes back? Bring Petit back?”

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

I lobbied for Edgar to be taken out of the rotation before you did. Like, years ago. But I didn’t tell anyone.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

I still think he could be an excellent cook, and nothing you can tell me otherwise will convince me.

"Hold on a minute, there are three important, brilliant, and complicated reasons why you should listen to me."

by kishi on Apr 29, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow

That not-turn of the DP cost us 3 runs!

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So did piss-poor pitching

and Salazar misplaying that ball off the wall.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With his helmet on,

Jose Cruz Jr. kinda looks like a Hispanic Andy Pettitte.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D'oh

That looks like it hurt

I have been colonized.

by mrssoco on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s our Ed-it’s-Gon. I thought that one got out.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It did.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do or do not. There is no try.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Salazar is a solid #4 but Bam Bam is better.

by foulpole on Apr 29, 2008 10:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should be a HR

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, it didn't hit a seat... I think it just hit the top of the wall and bounced back in.

Either way, the ‘Stros just got robbed.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there’s a metal fence that is right above the wall that it hit. Or it looked that way.

by LucaMaz3 on Apr 29, 2008 10:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another score off a deep hit ball

with a Salazar misplay. Hard ball to get to, definitely, but he did not have a good line to it at all.

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MAD MAX!!

IS COMING IN!!!!

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully he won't grow up to hate the Malibu PD

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or Jews

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was the implication

The boys in Sedona Red slugged it out with a pretty pesky poltergeist, then stayed on to dance the night away with some of the lovely ladies who witnessed the disturbance.

by soco on Apr 29, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, but,

all officers of the Malibu PD are Jewish, but not all Jews are Malibu Police Officers.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know

Like the one who pulled over Mel Gibson

I have been colonized.

by mrssoco on Apr 29, 2008 10:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now wait a minute

can you really label him Mad Max when he hasn’t pitched a single inning? you gotta earn that label.

by lnewcomer on Apr 29, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IAWTC

I have been colonized.

by mrssoco on Apr 29, 2008 10:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mildly annoyed Max?

We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Apr 29, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's gone from Double A to the majors in a matter of weeks, after being drafted in 2006.

He can be Mad Max.

"Juan Cruz has Freddy Krueger stuff. Welcome to Elm Street." -- Mark Grace

by DbacksSkins on Apr 29, 2008 10:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Though to be fair...

Does he really want to be associated with Mel Gibson?

I have been colonized.

by mrssoco on Apr 29, 2008 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs