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Super Bowl? Schmuper Bowl!

Finally. It's Super Bowl weekend. I've been waiting for Sunday for what seems like months. Not because I have any significant interest in the game, but that it'll finally, thankfully, mark the end of the football season. The column inches devoted to the assorted parolees of the NFL can then be turned over to covering more interesting things such as bi-hourly updates on Brittany Spears' latest meltdown baseball. Yes, the long dark winter of the other sports will almost be over, which means it won't be long before we hear the sound of ash hitting horsehide. And I don't mean that Michael Vick has moved over to the equestrian arena.

Winter in Arizona is bad enough, with all the snowbirds clogging up the roads, making left-turns from the right-hand lane, driving resolutely at four miles per hour below the speed-limit and ensuring that no restaurant is accessible without a 45-minute wait. [Hah! We just out-wait them; they're all in bed before 9pm, so as long as you're up for a late dinner, it's not a problem] This week, you can add in 150,000 more people - and these are not even genteel grandmothers from the northern mid-West. These are East coast sports fans. Know how much we hate Boston and New York? Well, guess who's playing in the Superbowl. Frankly, if there was some kind of Black Sunday-esque incident at the event, I would be...far more likely to tune in.

We are supposed to be grateful for the 'boost' these visitors will provide to the Arizona economy. Yeah, whatever. I know there's a recession on, but drug-dealers undoubtedly stoke the local finances to a much greater degree, and they don't get eight-page sections of daily coverage in the Republic. Seeing as I work for a hosting company whose customers are nationwide, and our Internet bead business is mail-order, any economic boost will likely only affect the Snakepitette. She is pulling a double shift on Sunday at Bar Louie, over in the Westgate Center by UofP Stadium, with visions of a four-figure payday dancing in her head. But otherwise, while the room rates in Phoenix may have quadrupled, you know that money is heading straight back to the corporate head-office, rather than being paid out to the local employees.

The game just doesn't deserve this much coverage: to quote Will Leitch of Deadspin, "Even though the Super Bowl is the biggest sporting event on the calendar, everything besides the game is mostly a dull, joyless affair." And that's on a good year, when said match-up is actually likely to be a genuine contest, rather than the one-sided procession anticipated for Sunday. It just doesn't deserve in-depth analysis. Part of it is a side-effect of the nature of football, where radically fewer games are played. To win the World Series in baseball, you have to have eleven playoff victories; that's more than the Giants managed in the entire regular season. Two weeks of analysis on a single game is simply more than this can bear. But what else would you expect, in a country that takes ten months to elect a President?

Even though it's taking place in the city where I live, I certainly won't be taking part in any of the festivities or attending any of the parties. $1,700 to hang out with John Travolta, REO Speedwagon and - be still my beating heart - the Deal or No Deal models at the Scottsdale Galleria? Even though the price includes "delictable Horderves" [sic - I think they mean "delectable hors d'oeuvres". You'd think that at that price for a ticket, they could afford a spell-checker], I think I'll pass. I will probably not even watch the game; the only reasons to do so are if any of the commercials are good, and to boo lustily when my ex-employer's one appears. I've just realised that azsnakepit.com is registered through Go Daddy - longtime readers will appreciate the irony of that. Or maybe the last couple of minutes, if it's close, to see whether my countryman Lawrence Tynes, the first Scot-born player ever to appear in the Super Bowl, can nail the winning points as kicker for the Giants.

That is one thing I do like about the NFL. Despite the monstrous players, 'roided up as if auditioning for WWE - this year, the average weight for an offensive lineman this season was 312 lbs - about 25% of the time, the outcome of the game is decided by someone like Tynes, a lightweight in comparison at only 202 lbs. It's as if the NBA introduced a rule requiring all free-throws to be taken by midgets. [Hey, I'd pay to see that...] Tynes missed a kick in the NFC championship game which would have won it for the Giants, then redeemed himself in overtime with the winner, though was basically ignored by his team-mates afterwards. Kickers seem a different breed, like closers in baseball or goalies in hockey, and can only be admired as such.

Enough about a game played by men with odd-shaped balls. I laughed out loud at the Republic today. Dan Bickley was reporting on his experiences at the recent Diamondbacks fantasy camp, and had the misfortune to be placed on Mark Grace's team. I say that, because Grace's team had not won a single game in the first two years of the camp. Finally, in Game Two, they broke their duck. Grace's reaction? "Just got off the phone, fellas. The whores are on their way." Well, the Republic being the Republic, the quote was reproduced there as "The (prostitutes) are on their way," but you know what Grace said. That's one for the quotes page, and simply solidifies his reputation, in my eyes, as one of the very few professional sportsmen, with whom I would want to hang. I sense a night out with Grace would be the stuff of legend.

Steve Gilbert bring us an update on the returns of Tracy and Slaten from their microfracture surgeries. Well, "update', might be a bit of a stretch, since it implies new information; the reality is that Bob Melvin "still doesn't know" whether one, both or neither of them will be roster-ready for the start of the season. If not, the name of perennial fringe player Robby Hammock has been brought up as an alternative to a free-agent type like Eric Hinske. That would also allow him to work with Johnson; he was the Big Unit's personal catcher early last year and, of course, also caught Randy's perfect game in Atlanta.

Interesting discussion in the Trash Talk Manifesto thread on Arizona vs. Colorado attendance. Looking at the figures, this one looks basically like a tie. Here are the stats for the seasons since the Diamondbacks came into existence, followed by a nice picture of same, for those of you who tend to glaze over when faced with multiple rows of data, arranged into daunting columns.

Year      Arizona        Colorado         MLB Avg
1998    3,610,290       3,792,683       2,353,372
  99    3,019,654       3,481,065       2,336,773
2000    2,942,251       3,295,129       2,423,414
  01    2,736,451       3,166,821       2,418,904
  02    3,198,977       2,737,838       2,264,813
  03    3,198,977       2,334,085       2,254,335
  04    2,519,560       2,338,069       2,432,298
  05    2,059,424       1,914,389       2,479,510
  06    2,091,685       2,104,362       2,531,972
  07    2,325,249       2,376,250       2,648,244
Avg.    2,770,252       2,754,069       2,414,363

I was surprised to see how parallel the paths of attendance in Phoenix and Denver have run over the last decade. While baseball in general has seen a fairly-steady increase, both teams here dropped, reaching a nadir in 2005, but have rebounded since then. In particular, the previous four seasons have been especially close, always within 200K - over the course of a season, that works out to little more than a couple of thousand each game. Indeed, taking the previous decade as a whole, we have pulled bigger crowds, but the margin is less than two hundred per contest. Last year, the difference was basically zero, since the Rockies had an additional game at Coors for the wild-card playoff. Take that full house off, and they were 2,600 up on Arizona over the rest of the season, or a mere thirty per. Seems close enough to call it equal to me.

Of course, the truth probably is that we should be comparing Colorado and Arizona, not to each other, but to their expansion brothers, in the Marlins and Tampa Bay respectively. And, there, the Western franchises are basically kicking Florida ass. The Marlins have averaged less than 1.4 million per year since 1998; the Devil Rays only fractionally more (1.44 million), each barely half of what the Rockies and Diamondbacks have seen. Particularly in Tampa's case, you can argue that the woeful mediocrity of the team has hampered things - a franchise-high of only seventy wins for the Rays, while the Marlins have a World Series title, but the last decade has also seen seven losing seasons and one of the most notorious fire-sales in baseball history. But in 2008, they now have Gonzo, meaning full houses are practically guarante... Hey! Where are you going? :-) All told though, Arizona and Colorado are both doing perfectly well, it seems to me.

And with that, I think I'll head back to bed - note the time-stamp on this post! Yep, I had one of those 'wake up in the middle of the night and gaze at the ceiling for a bit' experiences, so decided I might as well get something productive done. Enjoy your weekend, and please stay safe if you're partying for the Super Bowl.

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Funniest part of Bickley's article
was relating how the Kangaroo court fined the woman for not wearing a cup.  :-)

by shoewizard on Feb 2, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

If it's a 1000 years
before we host another Stupor Bowl game, it'll be 1001 years too soon.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 2, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

The fact that people forger
when it comes to attendance is that you can't reasonably compare cities most of the time.  Phoenix is 515 sq miles and Denver is 149 sq miles.  That means the population is more spread out in Phoenix, so that can dissuade a casual fan from going to a game, especially if it's on a weekday, as many baseball games are.

Another difference between Denver and Phoenix is established residents.  Denver isn't a transplant city, so there many residents who have lived there long enough that they think of Denver, and therefore it's sports teams, as their own.  Phoenix is made up of mainly people from other cities or regions with preexisting bias and preference, making conversion difficult.

Weather should never be an excuse, but I'm sure to some people in Phoenix, going out for long periods of time during the summer isn't the first option.  Add on potentially driving on the freeway systems for up to an hour or more, and you have more casual fans who probably are going to find an excuse to find something else to do.

Phoenix has problems with attendance for the above reasons, but Denver's problems stem from the fact that the Rockies have traditionally been terrible.  Nothing brings out the casual fan like a winning team.  The reality is that if the Rockies were to become a regular contender, even just a regular contender to be in the playoffs, you would see the attendance rise.  However, this also shows how many casual fans there are for the Rockies, and shouldn't necessarily be a point of pride by their fans (though they no doubt will).

I'm going to post my conclusion in the next comment as this one is long enough.

Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Feb 2, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

The funny thing is
lower attendance is better for the hardcore fan.  Look at Boston.  The guy that grew up with the Red Sox being his team, and has gone there for years even when they sucked and were a bunch of losers, is now being pushed out in favor of casual fans and tourists.  It's not easy to get seats at Fenway, Wrigley or Yankee Stadium because they have large amounts of casual fans, on top of their already large part of serious fans.

I guess what I hope everyone takes out of all of that is that large attendance numbers do not equate a healthier fan base, especially when you look at such a small pool of data like last year's playoffs.  

Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Feb 2, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

As much as I
would love to see larger, LOUDER, HOME CHEERING , crowds at our games, i understand the reality.  Most everyone has moved here in the past 10 years and brought their old loyalties with them.  Those fans we will never win over.  It'll be their kids that build this fan base into something great.  
Look at the Az Cardinals.  They are not a home grown team like the DBacks.  They were transplants like most everyone here.  The first 10 years or so, you could hardly find anyone willing to wear their colours/uniforms/whatever.  Now, you see their stuff all over town, worn mainly by the younger crowd, people who grew up with that team here as their own.
Go to a Cards game, that place gets rocking and not once have I been asked to leave "for cheering too loud" either.
The DBacks will get there and having a young home grown team that has done so well to date will only help that process.  I think people can connect with that far easier than the high paid rentals that seem to be the norm in the sport.
If our attendance is the only thing the fine folks over at the purple ho can come up with to ridicule us on, let them go for it, it only makes them look the fool.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 2, 2008 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true
I've always said, it takes a generation for any team to sink into local consciousness fully, for exactly this reason. St. Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, once allegedly said, "Give me a child of seven, and I will show you the man." I think it's certainly true for sports loyalties in most cases; of course, I had no real baseball loyalty growing up, so was an empty vessel into which Mrs. SnakePit poured the Diamondbacks. :-)

Mind you, he also said, "In a quarrel with a man, it is natural for a woman to lose heart and run away when he faces up to her; on the other hand, if the man begins to be afraid and to give ground, her rage, vindictiveness and fury overflow and know no limit." Bear that in mind when dealing with silverblood and Rox Girl. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Feb 2, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That second quote
reminds me of von Sacher-Masoch's Venus In Furs.  
Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Feb 2, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In that case, you'll LOVE this one
"The safest and most suitable form of penance seems to be that which causes pain in the flesh but does not penetrate to the bones, that is, which causes suffering but not sickness. So the best way seems to be to scourge oneself with thin cords which hurt superficially, rather than to use some other means which might produce serious internal injury."

St. Ignatius appears to have been a bit of a freak. But what else would you expect from the founder of the Jesuits?

by Jim McLennan on Feb 2, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

For me it's the buzz and excitement
that is often lacking at the ballpark.

We tend to remember towards the end in September,and the playoff atmosphere. But crowds did not get animated at Chase Field until September. (With the exception of the Red Sox series of course)

Big crowds are a plus for the organization, no doubt. They need the revenue to put a good team on the field. For me as a fan in the stands, I like the crowd being large, but it's more important to be that they are ENGAGED.

There were plenty of games where there were a lot of people there, but 4 out of 5 people were not engaged in what was happening on the field.

THAT is what needs to change......If that changes, it will do more to enhance the ballpark experience than anything else.  I am not all that hopeful though. We are a vidiot generation, and our TV Screen at the ballpark just got bigger.

by shoewizard on Feb 3, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

And, of course
[ But crowds did not get animated at Chase Field until September. (With the exception of the Red Sox series of course) ]

And the Cubs regular-season series. Was there for all three games, and they were definitely animated there. Not just the Cubs fans, but I think hearing the chants of "Let's go, Cubbies" in 'our house' awakened the Snakes' contingent. When Valverde nailed down a one-run save in Sunday's game, after allowing hits to the first two Cubs batters... Yeah, that was among the highlights of my year.

by Jim McLennan on Feb 3, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right
Hopefully there will be more moments of excitement that get the crowd going. Improved offense would sure help out a lot.  ;)

by shoewizard on Feb 4, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Even success doesn't guarantee excitement
"There were plenty of games where there were a lot of people there, but 4 out of 5 people were not engaged in what was happening on the field."

This is a common problem at UofA basketball games.  Unless you're rich, old or both, you likely don't have season tickets & will never have season tickets.  So, the crowd is largely white hairs who sit on their hands for the entire game.  It's infuriating to people who actually want to get into a game & CHEER for the team.  Now, the Wildcats currenlty have the longest streak of NCAA appearances in the country, so even yearly success doesn't mean much.

by azshadowwalker on Feb 5, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought...
they were called blue-hairs. LOL. Either way, to true.

by Bcawz on Feb 6, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick point
"Large attendance numbers do not equate a healthier fan base." True, but it does equate to a significant revenue stream going directly into the franchise. A large number of people watching on TV will help the broadcasters rather than the team; it'll only help when the broadcast contract is renewed.

On the other hand, though, you're right: for regular-season games I far prefer going to games when we've got the row to ourself, there are no queues at the concessions stands and we have an easy in and out of the park. I still treasure our July 1998 to Stade Olympique in Montreal, with only about ten thousand there.

by Jim McLennan on Feb 2, 2008 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yeah
more fans is nothing but a good thing overall for the team, and by proxy the fans, but it doesn't mean there's a healthy fan base.  Example: pretty much any year the D'backs have more fans at the games than normal.  
Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Feb 2, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

"I'm wirey!"
My favourite line from "The Replacements".I'm rooting for the Giants cos of the 2 Brits in the team.I'm rooting also for a freak  lightning strike taking out the half time show.
I can't say much about attendance as I can't ever attend games but with the growth of the internet,maybe us bleacher bums sat in front of a monitor should be counted some way?
We will meet in Red 3 at the hour of scampering.

by hotclaws on Feb 3, 2008 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Weather's changing fast out here
gotten very cloudy and I can smell the rain on the wind.  SWEET!  Your wish of a lightning strike at half time just may be getting set up right now..  ;-)

Those of you "over there", are you only able to watch games at home?  No expats have opened a sports bar where other expats can gather to watch college sports, the nba, nfl, or mlb?

When I finish with school, there is a company in Veldhoven, The Netherlands I'd love to work at for a few years.  T'would suck wind big time to be so completely cut off from the teams I love.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 3, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Danny Haren
to be #3 pitcher. Seems Randy will be #2. Interesting!  

Also so Tracy and Tony Clark news.

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/02/03/d-backs-rumors-haren-tracy-t-clark/

by ET90210 on Feb 3, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Just
splitting up LHPs and RHPs... no indication of value by the move.

by johngordonma on Feb 3, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Stupor Bowl
Was actually pretty good.  Am NOT a fan of either team, but twas a good game to watch compared to how many of them play out.  

Now it's baseball season?

by unnamedDBacksfan on Feb 3, 2008 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Must admit...
I kinda got sucked in too. ;-) Pleased to see the Giants win, with the margin of victory proving to be my countryman's first-quarter field goal. They'll be celebrating in the streets of Greenock tonight!

by Jim McLennan on Feb 3, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

A very good game
I was glad to see not only a close game but also a Giants win. I really didn't want to see the Pats go undefeated.

BTW, it's still hoops season.

Go Suns!

by foulpole on Feb 3, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

excellent game
very surprised by what a great contest it was... and what devils possessed the bodies of those Giants' D-line?  They were unbelievable.

by johngordonma on Feb 3, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No, Great game
I'm glad I ended up watching it, not just to see the Patriots crash and burn.
Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Feb 3, 2008 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I know many of you don't like football
but I implore you to find a Patriots fan and offer him the rope that he is most assuredly looking for. Here's a little tidbit of giggle worthy information. The Patriots organization a couple days before the game applied for a trademark on "19-0". Cocky much?
Tippecanoe and Pena too! (let's hope pena doesn't die after 30 days in office)

by seton hall snake pit on Feb 4, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Funny. Though I note...
That 19-0.com was registered back in 2002, by some guy out of California. And 18-1.com dates back even further, to 2000.

by Jim McLennan on Feb 4, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

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