The Winter (Meetings) of our Discontent: Day 2
In lieu of the multiple threads generated yesterday, to try and keep things a bit simpler, I'm just going to have one post and add on to it anything of interest that crops up during the day. This will make things tidier, and easier too: the latter is an important consideration since my Matrix-style efforts at dodging the sickness which has been rampaging brutally round the office like...a brutal, rampaging thing, finally appear to have failed. I'll be popping DayQuil like candy for the rest of the day, folks, so my commentary may not quite be up to its usual, incisive quality.
A quick note to other editors; if you find anything of interest, just toss it in the comments with a link and I'll incorporate it. This'll avoid the risk of simultaneous updates; I should be pretty quick on the inclusion with such reminders, since I don't think I'll be doing much but staring blankly at the computer screen today. There doesn't seem immediately to be much to add from action overnight, but if so , the first update will follow shortly, when I've had a chance to scan the papers, etc.
No Loretta for Arizona: "The Dodgers further solidified their infield depth Monday night by agreeing to terms with veteran utilityman Mark Loretta on a one-year contract, according to agent Bob Garber. Loretta must pass a physical exam for the deal to be official... Loretta is a 13-year veteran and two-time All-Star. He earned $2.75 million last year and will receive about $1.4 million in 2009. The Dodgers won the pursuit for Loretta over National League West rival Arizona Diamondbacks."
Nick Piecoro says we were simply outbid, with our offer being below a million, and it might be a while till we sign anyone(s). "What we were hearing last month was that they didn’t think there was a huge difference between several of the free agent second basemen and that they might end up going with whichever player falls to them at the price they could afford."
Montero being looked at by the Red Sox "With Varitek a question mark to return to the Fens at this point, the Sox are still actively pursuing a deal with several different teams for young catching, with the Rangers, Diamondbacks and Indians chief among those both armed with backstops and willing to deal. Though names like Diamondbacks catcher Miguel Montero and Angels catcher Jeff Mathis have entered the surprisingly abundant mix, the Sox are still most actively pursuing Rangers backstops Taylor Teagarden and Jarrod Saltalamacchia." Nick Piecoro adds, "One name that came up was young
Jackson for Johnson discussed. The same piece from Nick also reports that, "The Diamondbacks and Braves have discussed a Conor Jackson for Kelly Johnson swap. Doesn't sound like it has any momentum, but it has been discussed. Presumably the Braves would put
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Sigh
Are we seriously going to get outbid on everyone? Just… Ugh.
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by kishi on
Dec 9, 2008 2:01 PM EST
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Probably?
You keep on rowin', and I'll keep on smilin'.
by soco on
Dec 9, 2008 6:22 PM EST
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If so
Then this is just going to be depressing all winter. Again, I move that the Diamondbacks portion of the blog be shelved until February. In that place, I suggest that soco write us weekly columns containing his stories of fighting hyper-intelligent bears.
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by kishi on
Dec 9, 2008 6:35 PM EST
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Yesssssssssssss
My chance to shine!
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by soco on
Dec 9, 2008 6:48 PM EST
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BEARS BEETS BATTLESTAR GALACTICA!
Also.. um.. do i need to get set up my pitch fork and fire?
We're having a renaissance, so stick around.
by mrssoco on
Dec 9, 2008 9:52 PM EST
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No need yet
The Riot Advisory System is only at Mustard so far.
We don’t feel like we should be limited to boring colors.
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by kishi on
Dec 9, 2008 10:12 PM EST
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AGREED! Mustard is fantastic!
But in the long run I have to say… I am prepared. They try and trade him? I show my STABBY FACE OF ANGER. I have a TV that can vouch for my RAGE!
We're having a renaissance, so stick around.
by mrssoco on
Dec 9, 2008 10:30 PM EST
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False.
Black bear.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 10, 2008 11:01 AM EST
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That's debatable
There are basically two schools of thought…
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on
Dec 10, 2008 2:55 PM EST
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Big giant sigh
So I guess we are just going to sign the last guy who can’t find any other team to sign him.
by TwinnerA on
Dec 9, 2008 3:26 PM EST
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While you may want to lament this...
I submit that it’s a good thing. See Quentin McCracken 2002, Carlos Baerga 2003, Roberto Alomar 2004, Tony Clark 2005, Eric Byrnes 2006 and 2007 (pre-stupid-contract), and Augie Ojeda 2007 (minor league deal).
The key is to stop signing these 1 year wonders to extended contracts.
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on
Dec 9, 2008 5:41 PM EST
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And, if he was not trade bait
Trot Nixon 2008
Arizona expatriate in Missouri
by Snakebitten on
Dec 9, 2008 7:34 PM EST
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I agree that the org has found some Diamondbacks in the rough…historically…which FO plucked them?
Gonzo for who? Best trade even in franchise history?
by foulpole on
Dec 10, 2008 2:16 AM EST
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Equally as pointless
I think you could make an argument that Tony Womack for Jason Boyd and Paul Weichard was a better trade in terms of something for nothing…
Fire Bob Melvin
by nihil67 on
Dec 10, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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According to Ken Rosenthal, we’re going to hold on to Snyder and Montero- scroll down to 7:35 PM.
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by kishi on
Dec 9, 2008 10:48 PM EST
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The same piece from Nick also reports that, "The Diamondbacks and Braves have discussed a Conor Jackson for Kelly Johnson swap. Doesn’t sound like it has any momentum, but it has been discussed. Presumably the Braves would put Jackson in the outfield.
Heck, I’d be all over this deal. Too bad the Braves org is too smart to make this trade. Sheesh, I’d even through in Ed-it’s-Gon to get KJ.
Wishful thinking I’m sure. :-(
by foulpole on
Dec 10, 2008 1:07 AM EST
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Are you just posting
to get a reaction?
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by Scrbl on
Dec 10, 2008 1:16 AM EST
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Do you feel that CJ has more value than KJ? If so…why?
by foulpole on
Dec 10, 2008 1:51 AM EST
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Kelly Johnson’s OPS+ over the past 3 seasons: 91, 117, 108.
Conor Jackson’s OPS+ over the same time: 103, 110, 110
It’s probably a slight offensive downgrade for an already offensively-challenged team, but Johnson’s presumably more “valuable” since he plays middle infielder, rather than a traditional offensive corner spot like CoJack.
Other than that, it’s an interesting trade — both were first rounders, both are 26, both have been in the league for the same # of years, etc, so I assume contract status is the same for either player. I’m actually not quite as opposed to this as I probably should be.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 10, 2008 10:40 AM EST
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…both have been in the league for the same # of years,…
Per Yahoo, CJ has 3 plus years of ML service time while KJ has 2 plus.
It’s probably a slight offensive downgrade for an already offensively-challenged team, but Johnson’s presumably more "valuable" since he plays middle infielder, rather than a traditional offensive corner spot like CoJack.
CJ is a RHB 1b/LF (the two easiest defensive positions), KJ is a LHB 2b (the third toughest defensive position). It’s a lot harder to find an ave LHB starting 2b than a below ave/ave 1b/LF RHB.
by foulpole on
Dec 10, 2008 3:50 PM EST
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Per Yahoo, CJ has 3 plus years of ML service time while KJ has 2 plus.
Good point. He had TJ surgery in ’06.
CJ is a RHB 1b/LF (the two easiest defensive positions), KJ is a LHB 2b (the third toughest defensive position). It’s a lot harder to find an ave LHB starting 2b than a below ave/ave 1b/LF RHB.
He’s above average for MLB. He’s just below average among 1Bs or LFs.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 10, 2008 4:27 PM EST
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Think you might be wrong on that
Per Cot’s
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/atlanta-braves_15.html
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/arizona-diamondbacks_10.html
Those are as at the end of 2007, so both came into this season with a little over two years, so would be above three now. I believe that players do receive major league service time even if they are on the major league DL, which may help explain it, even though Johnson missed all of 2006.
by Jim McLennan on
Dec 11, 2008 10:28 PM EST
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LOL
Absolutely nobody is surprised that foulpole approves this message.
Is EdGon even still on our roster? He’s not on IR, is he? (Does MLB even have IR? I’m too ensconced in following the NFL right now to remember)
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 10, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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If I remember correctly
he got off the 60-day DL and the Diamondbacks tried to option him down to the minors, which he refused. I think he’s a free agent now. I’m not sure though.
by Azreous on
Dec 10, 2008 11:56 AM EST
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Is EdGon even still on our roster? He’s not on IR, is he? (Does MLB even have IR? I’m too ensconced in following the NFL right now to remember)
Edgar was waived and none of the other 29 teams would sacrifice a roster spot for a free pitcher. He cleared waivers and was signed, with the D-backs, to a minor league deal.
He is a totally fungible RHP.
by foulpole on
Dec 10, 2008 3:58 PM EST
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I'd love to have Kelly Johnson.
But not at the expense of CoJack, unless there’s more involved here than a straight-up swap.
by Azreous on
Dec 10, 2008 1:42 AM EST
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+1
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 10, 2008 10:29 AM EST
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I assume you'll incorporate this into today's story, Jim?
Sabathia signs with Yankees for $160 million over 7 years, an amount that seems excessive even for a starting pitcher.
Much as I hate the Yankees, I’m glad not to see him as a Dodger. Also, it’s about time the Yankees finally threw off the yoke of their free-spending longtime oppressors, the evil Red Sox.
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by DbacksSkins on
Dec 10, 2008 10:49 AM EST
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Also,
the Dodgers re-signed Casey Blake.
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Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM EST
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