Election Day Game Thread
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 8:50 PM EST
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Figured we might as well have a Gameday-Thread style entry for this night; I'm at the wrestling, but will likely be about for most of the night. Comments, news and thoughts to follow as and when, so feel free to pop in and join me.
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When do I get my handout?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4MlL7ynt8
Whomever wins, we lose.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:57 AM EST reply actions
Interesting site
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/
I just realized that every day of my life as an American resident so far, has been spent under the presidency of a Republican named Bush…
Europa
has a lively debate forum going. It is all about the EU though, by europeans, and for europeans. I never realized just how much europe has come to …….. strongly dislike the usa. And they spread the dislike around to all of us in general instead of just the govenment.
“Democracy. Use it or lose it.”
Jim, we’ve already lost it, years ago. But, nobody wants to hear that. They’d rather go around with head stuck in the sand, pretending everything is all right.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
And when you do vote, you can either get <a href=“http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/02/starbucks-offers-free-cof_n_140087.html”free coffee from Starbucks, or free ice cream from Ben & Jerry’s. I know which one I’m going for.
Well, I mean, you could get both, too.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Why not both? :-)
Perhaps because it may be a felony?
Businesses that hope to reward voters today for exercising their patriotic right might be committing a felony… In Georgia, the secretary of state’s office issued a statement yesterday reading: “Businesses are free to offer ‘Election Day’ specials or sales for all of its customers, but gifts, incentives or specials just for voters is prohibited under this provision.”
Ben & Jerry’s said it would give away a free scoop of ice cream from 5 to 8 p.m. today to customers displaying the sticker, but then learned about the law. “Originally, we planned to give free scoops away just to those who voted,” said Walt Freese, chief euphoria officer of the wacky Vermont ice cream maker. “We found out afterwards that certain laws may not allow it. So instead we’re celebrating our election with a national party,” he said. At Starbucks, which promised a free “tall” coffee today to anyone displaying the “I Voted” sticker, free joe now flows for all, voter and non-voter alike. .
Chief euphoria officer? How do you get that job?
Well
From my reading of the article, it may only be a felony to offer said rewards, not to receive them… =)
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
That's 037451
on the federal list of occupational codes
Chief euphoria officer? How do you get that job?
I believe you just walk into the Diamondbacks executive suite and say, “Hello, my name is Derrick Hall” :-)
Someone just got told!
We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.
Democracy and free ice cream
God bless America. Plus I spent less time waiting for free ice cream than I did waiting to vote.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Renowned baseball analyst, Nate Silver
Has also been running an election prediction site:
http://fivethirtyeight.com
He’s calling it:
Obama 349, McCain 189; Obama by 6.1%
Nate's weighted rosters
of the various polls are little short of a national treasure; I’ve been riveted to them for weeks.
(A dispassionate analysis of the analyses, as it were)
You just don’t know the right people then! I bet you could vote in Chicago. heck, the dead still vote there.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
CBS News
Predicts Pennsylvania will go for Obama.
McCain is fractionally ahead in the popular vote, but is getting his electoral college ass handed to him so far. 102-54 on CBS, 82-34 on Google News.
Polls close in Arizona
Rather than watching results (predictions, really) at the moment, I’m watching the end of Leatherheads. I’m rather fond of Renee Zellweger in the 1920s and 1930s.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Plus
I’m generally in favor of Stephen Root, giving how much I loved Newsradio.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Didn't realize he was in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie
As the principal. Very odd to see him there, since he is so engrained in our brain as Milton.
Really?
It’s been long enough since I saw the movie, that I’d forgotten he was in it. Kinda funny, then, that he’s currently making an appearance as a vampire on True Blood.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Started watching that
But drifted away after a couple of eps, It didn’t capture our interest, somehow. Not sure I can imagine a vampiric Milton, any more than I can Principal Milton…
I'm not all that enthusiastic about it
The two main characters are the least interesting. And their depiction of a character described as a viking looks more like the bassist for a metal band that practices in someone’s garage. But mrskishi’s a fan of the books, so it’s on our Sunday night queue after Dexter.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Dexter
Continues to kick ass. I’m reading the original book, on which the show was based: it’s kinda similar to the first series, but he’s a lot colder and more distant.
Maybe we can pick up on True Blood, now Primeval has finished? We have a slot open, at least until 24 starts up again.
I loved the first book of Dexter
The second was great, too, but the third was eh, okay. I do like the show better, though
I wouldn’t necessarily recommend True Blood. It’s in that “Eh, there’s nothing else to watch right now” slot that’s also filled by Heroes at the moment. There’s better stuff out there.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Random obscurist race I'm interested in
Alaskan senate. Governor Ted Stevens – best know for his ‘series of tubes’ depiction of the Internet, is trying to shrug off the little matter of, oh, federal corruption convictions. We’re mostly interested, because the Democrat candidate is Mark Begich, whose brother, Nick, is one ot the more impressive [that’d be not a loony] researcher into covert technology out there. He specializes in HAARP, the odd DARPA high-energy project that’s going on up in Alaska. So it’d be kinda cool to see his brother in the Senate – unless the same things happens as to their father, a Congressman who vanished entirely, along with his plane, back in 1972…
Senate races
Dole goes down.
What did CNN say? It’s been 50 some years of having a dole or bush involved in national politics?
Massive shift going on. Just wish there were better choices out there.
I hope Europe gets some balls and brings GW Bush up on crimes against humanity. It’s the least we can do as a going away present.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 9:12 PM EST reply actions
I don't get how they call races
For example, CNN’s website says they’re giving Wyoming to McCain. This is with 0% of precincts reporting in, and a total of 980 votes tallied. Really?
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Well, yeah
I’m not expecting Obama to carry it. But it just seems odd to me.
Perhaps a better question would be something like Maryland, where they’re giving it to Obama, with 4% of districts reporting, and Obama holding a 50% to 49% lead.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
I hope not
Every time, we hear how exit polls aren’t really good predictors of what’ll happen, and yet they always seem to fall back on them.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Popular Vote
is almost dead even. Am leery of these early “projections”…..
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was wondering about that
It might be to do with the states that have declared so far? Still, I wouldn’t be sobbing if the Republicans won the popular vote and lost the college. Turnabout is fair play.
WOW!
I’m on that European forum I mention earlier. They are following closer than most americans I bet.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have to say
This election has seemed much more “important” that the one in 2004. People generally seem a lot more interested and involved, I’d say.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Or Delaware
That’s a definitive edge.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Amd New Mexico
Uh-huh.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Obama
was up by 30,000 (albeit very early) in Utah at one point, and they were awarding it to McCain.
It’s kind of a tangent, but this projection system seems extremely stupid to me. In most cases, it isn’t based on the returns or the exit polls whatsoever; instead, it basically lines up with what the media has been predicting for the couple weeks heading into election day. I’d much rather see the states light up in a color the minute a candidate has clinched a state, when it’s absolutely certain.
But that could just be me.
Still, you’d think CNN and other outlets would have learned a lesson from eight years ago.
Utah, though, is pretty predictable
With New Mexico as one of their battleground states, it seems like they should show a bit more caution. But whatever.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Any hope of Sherriff Joe going down?
That’s the only one I really want to see, but I fear the only way he’ll leave office is in a body-bag.
[Memo to his SWAT team: that’s following a death by natural causes, of course.]
no worries
his swat team is making sure Guadalupe is safe, again.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Four networks have now called Ohio for Obama.
No Republican in history has ever been elected President without Ohio.
Yeah
I was just listening to someone talk about how losing Ohio and Pennsylvania are pretty much the death knell for McCain’s chances.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Oh, there's a shocker
Calling Utah for McCain? Whew, going out on a limb there!
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
For the most part
Especially outside of Salt Lake City, the state generally seems to run either red or redder.
Somehow, SLC has a democratic mayor, but I don’t think that’s enough.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Of course
The definition of ‘Democratic’ in Utah may be slightly different. It may just mean “has not logged on to Stormfront.org recently.” :-)
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
A summary of Channel 12's current interview
Talking to a guy from the McCain campaign:
“Projections say you guys have lost. What do you say?”
“Projections can be wrong, let’s wait for the votes.”
“But the projections say you’ve lost.”
“Shut up, let’s look at votes.”
For about three minutes.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
And here's the backup
202 called seats for Obama, plus 82 in safe states like California = 282, and your next president
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Granted, I’m not your typical first time voter. I probably know more about politics than some politicians…
Anyway. I had a pretty smooth time—I was the only person at my polling place at 8:30 this morning, but I guess that comes out of voting on campus early in the morning.
Being able to vote for the first time in this election is a crazy, crazy feeling. This election is so historic, and I don’t care what your political persuasion is, it’s amazing to see the country get to this point.
Anyway. Just my $0.02. Back to watching. Have fun.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:13 PM EST reply actions
Lucky you
My sister got up at 6 am to vote in Flagstaff this morning, and she said she had to wait about an hour.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
I assume
she wasn’t voting on campus, though…
The polling place I was at had paper ballots and one diebold machine. When they checked my ID, they said I had the option of a paper ballot or electronic, and I told the guy I would rather keep my vote for who I chose to vote for. :-P
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Congratulations
You always remember your first time… June 1987 for me. Though If only I could remember who I voted for! :-)
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Arizona still too close to call, based on exit polls
Interesting.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
So what station is everybody watching?
I’ve been on CNN for a few hours, flipping to ABC in commercials.
Ever since Pennsylvania and Ohio, the Presidency looks to go to Obama, but there are still a lot of key issues in state initiatives. California 4 and 8 are ones I am watching closely!
At the moment
I’m following one of the local news channels and CNN online. Go out to check CNN every once in a while.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
NBC
it was that or Faux Noise.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
A variety of websites
Since I’m at The Sets. We wanted to have a presidential smackdown tonight, get a couple of the wrestlers in Barack and McCain masks, but we couldn’t find any anywhere in town. :-(
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
I was reading an article last week
They said they’d run out of McCain costumes a week before Halloween, and run out of Obama costumes a month before Halloween.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
In other news
Christopher Lee elected to the House in New York.
However, the hobbits are preparing a legal challenge….
At the moment, with about a quarter of votes in
The propositions: 102 looking yes, 105 looking no, and 200 looking no. Not happy with one of those, but pretty good with the other too.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
102=prop h8.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Damn, that's what I was afraid of
Still 40 minutes till polls close here…
by snakecharmer on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
woops.
prop 8.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
That could make a good night end up very bad
if prop 8 / prop 102 pass…
by snakecharmer on Nov 4, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
The thing I don't understand with both...
AZ Constitution already bans gay marriage (I believe, correct me if I’m wrong), so an amendment would be redundant.
Prop 8 has essentially been overturned by the courts in California, correct?
WHY TRY AGAIN?
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
No
Arizona law bans gay marriage. As far as I know, California law banned gay marriage until it was overturned as unconstitutional. But if they change the constitution, then it can’t be overturned by judicial review.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Exactly
What he said.
If they make it constitutional, they can’t claim the law is unconstitutional.
by snakecharmer on Nov 4, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Okay.
Thank you for correcting me. I wasn’t positive, but it still makes me really, really angry.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
And on that topic
Then we can make all sorts of crazy laws!
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Prop 102- constiutional amendment to ban gay marriage
Prop 105- certain propositions would require a yes from the majority of registered voters to pass
Prop 200- pushed as a proposition to reform the payday loan companies, but actually backed by said companies
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
102 makes me cry.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't have a problem with that one
I’d rather we work on getting unmarried couples of all orientations legal rights. Leave marriage to the religiously-inclined, to deal with how they will.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ideally
I want to get the government out of the marriage business entirely, and just have them do civil unions. But until that happens, I’m generally opposed to a constitutional amendment to reinforce an already established law that’s purely discriminatory.
Sadly, not many people listen to me.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Considering how
half of ‘traditional’ marriages end up in divorce, I found the pro side of this argument a tad hyopcritical…. But I can agree with your thoughts.
Prop 200 _ gotta go down to defeat. It is not reform, it is legal loan sharking.
Anyone have word on Saban yet? (fingers crossed!)
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
With you on Prop 200
It was the deceitful way it was done that annoyed the hell out of me. Making it seem as it was reform, when in fact, it was very, very pro-industry.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
For the record
I wore this shirt to the polls today.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Firefly?
I’m surprised you didn’t get turned away. I thought they were being stricter on shirts with political messages, and wouldn’t imagine poll workers would necessarily get the concept.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
I was just there to drop off my early ballot, then waited outside until mrskishi voted. Most of the poll workers looked too busy to bother, really.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
One of my friends is a librarian at a middle school where they were doing voting in Mesa
I tried to convince him to hang a “C-3P0/R2-D2 ‘08: These are the droids you’re looking for” campaign sign in the library, but he choose not to.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
If I had voted
I would have bought a ‘Jack Bauer for President’ shirt, purely for the occasion.
And on that topic, anyone know if Barack has a brother? Just, y’know, in case… :-)
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Not so good
Women in ‘24’, tend to a) be traitors, b) die, or c) suffer encounters with pumas. Not really Presidential stand-in material, I’m afraid.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Jim, that's just racist
Just because he’s a black man, you assume he’s a brotha… =)
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Damn!
Sherrif Joe – 59%
Saban – 39%
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:33 PM EST reply actions
Disappointing
But I can’t say I’m surprised.. Arpaio has proven himself basically bullet-proof. He could probably storm a public library in the middle of the night and it wouldn’t affe…oh, wait… :-(
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
things you’d’ve thought you’d never see in America…. Heaven help us from those evil midnight library cleaners
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
This morning,
I told a friend of mine the latest projection on fivethirtyeight.com (McCain 1.1%) and she literally burst into tears.
Is it really the end of the world for Obama to win? I don’t understand this.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:36 PM EST reply actions
It's kind of terrible
Because so many people have convinced themselves that the opposing side has absolutely no redeeming qualities, and that America is absolutely DOOOOOOOOOOOMED! if their opponent wins.
As someone who isn’t attached to either side, it kind of makes me want to punch people in the face.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
I just asked her
if she could at least appreciate how historic this election is…even if the person you voted for didn’t win, and she told me I was being rude.
I don’t get it. She’s sitting in the corner sobbing, and I’m just amazed at being able to see this happen. ::shrug::
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Mrs. Snakepit's sister
Seems to be convinced the world will devolve into Mad Max-style insanity. She claims gun sales will increase 70% as a result. She has been in a foul mood all week.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Drudge report
Savage nation, KFYI, Rush, Steve Quayle, et al… You’d swear karl Marx himself was about to win this election.
Good grief.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Gah!
Zombie president? Not on my watch!
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
+1
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
And this
Would differ from the last eight years, how exactly?
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
In the interest of not drawing attention of homeland security
I’m not going to use the words “shotgun” and “President Bush” in the same sentence.
Wait, dammit.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
He'd be immortal
After all, you can only kill a zombie by destroying the brain…
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know
Believe me, I’m fully qualified to hunt zombies. In most zombie games, when many people would go raid the gun store, I was the guy leading to way to Home Depot for supplies.
Sadly, as zombie hunting isn’t quite a burgeoning field of employment…
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Yet
If Mrs. SnakePit’s sister is right, your time may yet come…
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm hoping
And in the meantime, I’ll practice my witty banter. I know it’s lost on the living dead, but it keeps me entertained.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Frankly
If it pissed Michael Savage off, I’m probably all for it. He’s the worst of the lot.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
We just had someone come in
Wearing a shirt saying, “Friends don’t let friends vote Democrat.” with an X’d out donkey logo. :-)
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, man
Now I want a “Friends don’t let friends by swayed by inane t-shirts” shirt.
It’s a little wordy for a bumper sticker.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
my inane shirt is from threadless
and says “everyone poops” under a picture of an elephant and donkey.
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I love Threadless
I’ve got a couple of awesome shirts from them.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Me too!
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
roflol!
reminds me of that song Peter, Brian, and Stewy sing about the FCC on Family Guy
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
You'd need a Hummer to fit that on your bumper
Which would kinda negate the point, I feel.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, found two europeans who
support McCain. One is from Greece and the other is in Albania. Everyone else is already looking foreward to Obama. For a forum that does not hide its utter disdain of anything USA, I find this obesssion with our election kinda weird.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:55 PM EST reply actions
Not this forum
I’m on a couple different boards tonight, one is the EU debate forum
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Can't say I'm surprised
America’s reputation in the rest of the world has gone down the drain since 9/11. All the goodwill and sympathy, utterly squandered.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like Arizona is sticking with McCain
54-45 for the local boy, with half the precincts reported.
NBC is calling the race for Obama
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
NBC just called it.
Barack Obama is the 44th President of the United States.
:-)
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 11:01 PM EST reply actions
My first thought after they called it
“I hope no one shoots him.”
Yeah, doesn’t say much good for my faith in some of my fellow countrymen.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
It's interval at the wrestling
And we just had a little political enclave gathered around the lap-top here. :-)
McCain giving
concession speech.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 PM EST reply actions
And McCain concedes
As the crowd boos. Classy, people.
I do have to feel sorry for John. Second time he’s run, and didn’t turn out any better. John, go back to the Senate and work at being the maverick you actually used to be before it became a joke and over-used campaign slogan.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
initial reaction
completely a knee jerk reaction. I find no fault in that.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Scottsdale mayor
Mary Manross on her way out.
Hooray. Always hated her since she tried, effectively, to close down Babe’s Cabaret. Not that I’ve ever been there. actually.
I have!
oh, it was for a ….a school project!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pleased
To see you support single mothers. :-)
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
And let the record show
At 9:28 pm. I am having my first ever beer as an American resident under a president not named Bush. :-)
Salud!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
janet made it seem like it would be closer
speaking of her, does she get a post in the new White House?
New White House, man that felt good saying.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Head of Homeland Security
I heard tell.
by Jim McLennan on Nov 4, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Affirmation?
Andrew Thomas and Sherrif Joe make me vomit profusely
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:37 PM EST reply actions
Just realized
that this is the first election I’ve paid attention to that has been decided on election night.
Clinton was elected when I was 2 and 6 (I remember doing a mock election in kindergarten and voting for Dole because he reminded me of fruit). I don’t remember those.
Both Bush elections were contested.
And as an aside, the whiteboard on our door now says “Yes We Can? Yes We Did. Obama 2008.”
Good night from Flagstaff. :-)
The fundamentals of the economy are strong. Mmmhm.
by emilylovesthedbacks on Nov 4, 2008 11:39 PM EST reply actions
G-d
in 2004 I stayed up all night watching the returns with friends at NAU. It was the first time I could vote and I was just so certain it would turn out fine.
We are gonna get drunk with Adam Dunn and we're gonna head-butt some damn kangaroos.
In 2000, I stayed up all night watching the results.
I was in an American Politics class, and I was supposed to write a paper about the results to turn in that Thursday. It was a little more difficult than the professor had originally thought, obviously.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Disturbing data fragment
The Democratic nominee did not win white voters, the exit polls suggest. The voting block – which made up three in four total voters – broke for McCain 54 percent to 44 percent. But black voters, who made up 13 percent of voters, voted overwhelmingly for Obama, 96 percent to 3 percent.
And more bad news
The sheriff took Tuesday’s results as a vote of confidence in his office’s policies and swore nothing would change in the next four years. "In fact, I might even do it more," Arpaio said of his immigration-enforcement policies, which have drawn criticism from across the country.
The guy is just out of control
period!
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
And with that
This ends the formal election coverage on AZ SnakePit for the next four years. :-) Tomorrow, we return to the normal, baseball-themed coverage,
Thanks for the thread!
I’m off to visit the EU Forum now.
What does a mama bear on the pill have in common with the World Series? No cubs.
by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 4, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
And thanks to everyone
For their part in a potentially explosive thread. I had no real fears about starting it, and I’m glad my confidence in you all was well-placed! There aren’t many SB Nation sites that felt brave enough to start a political thread today, but here are some links if you’re interested.
Royals Review
Minor League Ball
I was also going to list Halos Heaven, but the editor there lost any goodwill with this piece of xenophobic nonsense. Lock ‘n’ load, people.
Seriously?
LiveJournal? How gauche.
Seriously, though. What’s the point of complaining about the Queen of England? First off, it’s a hereditary position, as most monarchies are, and it’s- as I understand it- pretty much ceremonial right now, right? It’s like complaining that the Diamondbacks are a racist organization because they’ve never pulled a kid out of a Korean orphanage to deliver the lineup card to the umpire before games.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Oh, man
I read- and then stopped reading and started scanning- my way through the comments on that. Some pretty inane stuff there, but it was pretty much redeemed by Jim’s notes at the end. =)
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Nice response to halosheaven
I endorse much of what you said, squandering opportunity post 9/11,etc.
America no more deserves praise for his becoming president, than an idiot does when he stops banging his head against a brick wall.
Your point about most of the white vote defaulting to McCain (and black vote to Obama) is valid, in the sense this is still very much a divided electorate – divided by ideology, income, race , etc. But I also think ‘America’ deserves some credit tonight.
A partisan view tempts one to assume the economic climate and comparative quality of the two campaigns made this a “no-brainer”, but dispassionate analysis requires one to also acknowledge that voters chose a black man – with an Arabic sounding name and startlingly thin Presidential resume – over a well regarded, bipartisan Senate fixture, who’s also a war hero (in a time of war).
It’s often said we dont conduct one election, but fifty little ones. More accurately, we execute a hundred million elections, inside a hundred million hearts. Tonight, our collective jumble of rational and irrational considerations led to individual quantitative shifts sufficient to herald a qualitative change, unprecedented in modern political history.
What makes Obama’s victory more impressive to me than Thatcher’s or Merkel’s, isnt so much that he’s black. It’s that he’s liberal. His ideology is fairly consistent with previous black candidates with limited national appeal, and stokes doubts within the demographic (right, far right) more predisposed to discount him on the basis of race. By contrast, Thatcher and Merkel assuaged doubts about their “weak gender” with platforms that put that traditional demographic more at ease. One might have to go as far back as Golda Meir to find a PM on the left in the industrialized West, who wasnt also a white male.
I’d long assumed our first black (and woman) Presidents would both be right of center, even if there was a dearth of visible candidates. I was wrong. Circumstances combined with a remarkably disciplined and capable candidate to create improbable history tonight. One of those ‘circumstances’ was the American electorate, enough of whom entrusted our shared future with someone who didnt seem to share a whole lot with many of us – at least not on the outside.
I agree with you it’s only the start of repairing our country and it’s place in the world, but it’s a history making start. Not just for America, but by America. And for the world.
Interesting results.
Not all the precincts are in yet, obviously, but it’s interesting to me that Obama could win the electoral vote by more than a two-to-one margin while scrapping out a 2 percent victory in the popular vote. This system is just ridiculous.
(For the record, I’m happy Obama won.)
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