Never can tell if they’ll fit right.

where the hell else am I supposed to ash? There weren’t any orphaned children around.

I guess I fail to see why Scottsdale’s reputation is a bad thing. It’s not like the Diamondbacks would be asking people to move to Scottsdale, just visit. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’d rather visit a place with a good reputation than Maryvale.

I said your comments about the FO’s image around town were out of touch. You respond that my remarks make me sound like “an idiot” – conflating a mild and obvious Neiman Marcus reference with ignorant, racist, 19th century venom. Yet I’m the one with the “abusive way”? And here I thought Scottsdale was “rich” ;-)

While we’re in your spacious backyard, spare me sanctimonious lectures on the “real” Scottsdale, the one with 60% higher PCI than any Arizona municipality of comparable size. This debate never centered around what “I” think of Scottsdale until you pretended it did – it’s what people at large think (or might think). Your little show is just the latest in a long line of mundane truths angrily deflected when it doesnt fit your provincial view or corresponding agenda – in this case, having ST closer to your house.
   

Five hundred-plus members here; the same over at DBBP – obviously some overlap, but not 100% – two open forums, where any viewpoint is welcome – as long as you can back it up with facts (something sadly lacking on certain forums). And how many have expressed views consistent with the "image problem" you espouse? Five? Ten? Twenty at most?

1.Vast majority of your “500 -1000 members” rarely if ever comment. To imply their massive silence somehow aligns them more closely with your points of view is spurious. 2. The tiny remaining subset of commenting diehards dont begin to represent the vast, potential ticket buying public. 3. Hundreds of unique commenters, here, at DBBP and across more open forums (not “moderated” by ban-happy fanboys) have recognized and talked about a variety of FO image problems:

—The image that they’re unusually and/or unnecessarily cheap on payroll.
—The image that they dont care enough about winning.
—The image that they’re in it just for (or mostly for) the money.
—The image that they escalated an internal management feud into an alien organizational rebrand.

Those are the biggies – there are a dozen lesser ones. All are debatable charges and that’s fine, but for you to deny those PR problems even exist, as you so often do, reflects an unwillingness to separate personal feelings from rational analysis and discourse. I say that as a compliment, actually, because the alternative is that you’re just stupid (see above synonym: "idiot") – and I’ve never thought that. I can only think you’re so emotionally invested in certain talking points that you have difficulty acknowledging more widely accepted realities.

I know you fancy that you’re some kind of silent majority, but in reality, all the evidence is that you are part of a very loud, vociferous minority

I’m a minority here, but not outside your cocoon. I get out too much to be fooled otherwise. Obviously, mainstream folk dont bludgeon shared views with my relentless stridency or elan – otherwise they wouldnt be normal mainstream folk – they mostly read the papers, maybe write a letter to the editor every blue moon, and dont get into attending games as often. So, yeah, that’s the silent majority, and by greater metropolitan standards, it’s actually you who represent the vociferous minority in town. You’re the season ticket holder defending Mr Kendrick’s unpopular master plan at almost every turn. You’re the ‘regular Joe’ who apparently feels labeling Scottsdale a rich, uppity town borders on racism, and the idea folks elsewhere in the valley resent Scottsdale to be mind boggling and/or irrelevant to the franchise’s long term brand.
  

Even G.O.B. hasn’t claimed anything more than a potential issue with an unlikely move to Scottsdale [and one that’s more Scottsdale’s "image problem" than the D-backs, it seems to me]. Pretty thin ice to call someone your fellow traveler: when you’re as isolated and out of touch as you, then you need to clutch at whatever you can.

G.O.B. and I are independent and have never pretended to speak for one another, but it should be clear to everyone ( except you, of course) we both think there’ll be some public relations backlash in aligning with Scottsdale, especially in a weak economy. Nobody’s said it would bankrupt the franchise, OK? We’ve put little or no context around it, and I’m sure we disagree on some of the particulars, but that’s the nature of our common claim. Your effort to disparage that obvious commonality is…well, it’s a little creepy, honestly…in a high schoolish, cliquey sort of way.
 

why not take your head out of Jerry C’s arse, since it appears to be blocking your view.

A little off point, no? Look, I certainly deserve (and accept) some gas after making fun of your tooth and high flyin’ turducken ways (any regular here knows you’re outside the VIP wine & cheese crowd, and I’ve never seen your teeth – if I hit a nerve there, sorry), but it’s funny you insist my head is up the rear of someone I’ve never met, never communicated with, and whose big cigar excesses I’ve lampooned online longer than you have.

But I guess you’ve conveniently forgotten Jerry’s Kids and their 111-loss season: that was a real "image problem" for a "flailing brand", whole orders of magnitude worse than the precise location of a spring training stadium.

Good gravy, Jim. We’re talking about a 2010 spring training facility and you’re scolding me for being out of touch for “conveniently” forgetting the 2004 season? Whose really being “convenient” here? Irrelevant? Utterly out of touch? You’re more obsessed with Jerry than I ever was.

you are the Michael Savage of Diamondbacks fandom.

I’ve got little knowledge of who Michael Savage is, but I sense this is meant to be really hurtful and insulting, so imagine me raising my hackles and loudly shouting “How Dare You, Sir!”

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Could be wrong, but I think what’s mostly pissing you off is how I caricatured you as a moneyed Scottdsdale fop. It was a joke, of course, and I’d be a hypocrite if I said I wasnt trying to get under your skin a little. But I didnt intend to get under your skin this much – and feel bad about that. I assumed from your persona here, that the Turducken and wine & chesse jokes were pretty obvious and silly, but I certainly take responsibility for any misunderstanding.

both parties go back in the box.