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Brandon Webb and Stephen Drew get some MVP love: who'll be next?

Even though the Cardinals didn't make it to the playoffs, it is probably no surprise that Albert Pujols won the National League Most Valuable Player award, as the league seems more open to this possibility than the American League. In the NL, half of the last eight MVPs are now from teams that didn't reach the postseason [the other three being Ryan Howard in 2006, plus Barry Bonds in 2004 and 2001]. In contrast, this hasn't happened in the American League since 1991, when Cal Ripken won the MVP for the Orioles, who went 67-95 that season. Doesn't bode well for Joe Mauer chances of upsetting Dustin Pedroia for the junior circuit award.

Pujols got eighteen of the possible thirty-two first-place votes; Ryan Howard got most of the rest, which echoes the result of the SB Nation MVP award. Though there, Howard only finished in sixth, despite being the only player beside Pujols to get more than one first-place vote, since he was left off the ballot entirely by a significant number of voters. Not the case in the BBWAA poll, where only one voter opted to ignore him. The sole man to put Pujols outside the top four was Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. Let the flaming commence...

A solid showing for Mandy, the 'official' fourth-place being much better than the tenth he managed in the SB Nation voting. But I think Ramirez's performance illustrates perfectly the perceived difference between "Most Valuable" and "Best." On the same theme, I also note that Cy Young winner Tim Lincecum, was only the fifth-ranked pitcher in the 'Most Valuable' rankings, coming behind Sabathia, Lidge, Santana and Webb. Certainly, without Sabathia, the Brewers don't make the playoffs; without Lincecum, the Giants... are likely still exactly where they were, fourth in the NL West, just a few games closer to the Rockies.

Pleased to see Brandon Webb and Stephen Drew appearing in the table of results. Webb finished seventeenth, getting 14 points, including two fifth-place votes, while Drew got a ninth-place vote, for two points and 26th place. The Most Valuable Player award has not been a happy hunting ground for the D-backs, with only two position players reaching the top ten - none since 2001 - and nobody finishing above third. Contrast our record in the Cy Young, where the team's pitchers have come first or second eleven times in eleven years [five wins and six runners-up]. Here are all the MVP vote recipients for the Diamondbacks in franchise history:

  • 2008
    17th Brandon Webb (14 points)
    26th Stephen Drew (2)
  • 2007
    11th Eric Byrnes (43)
    14th Jose Valverde (19)
    17th Brandon Webb (15)
  • 2004
    19th Randy Johnson (7)
  • 2003
    25th Luis Gonzalez (4)
  • 2002
    7th Randy Johnson (127)
    10th Curt Schilling (53)
    14th Junior Spivey (8)
  • 2001
    3rd Luis Gonzalez (261)
    10th Curt Schilling (24)
    11th Randy Johnson (23)
  • 2000
    17th Randy Johnson (5)
  • 1999
    3rd Matt Williams (269)
    13th Jay Bell (31)
    15th Randy Johnson (21)
    18th Luis Gonzalez (12)

One of those names is not like the others: yes, the words "Junior Spivey" and "Most Valuable Player" don't quite seem to gel, do they? But that was the year he hit .301/.389/.476, impressive numbers for a second-baseman. He was last seen getting cut by the Red Sox in spring training this year, though he apparently still lives in Arizona, and is also part owner of proathletesonly.com. Anyway, the question is, what Diamondback position player do you think will be the next to crack the top ten in MVP voting, when do you think it'll happen, and what are the reasons for your choice? For bonus credit, who'll be the first to make the top three, and do you think any of them have a chance to win it? Oh, look: it's a poll.

Poll
Which D-back will be first to crack the top ten in MVP voting?
Stephen Drew
24 votes
Conor Jackson
41 votes
Mark Reynolds
6 votes
Justin Upton
37 votes
Chris Young
5 votes
Someone else
4 votes

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CJ is on the list. LMAO!

If our tight assed FO decides to spend any money then the best shot we have is either Wolf or a free agent.

CJ is a below ave 1b. How the heck is he ever going to be even close to a MVP?

by foulpole on Nov 18, 2008 4:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But he’s not a 1B anymore.

by Azreous on Nov 18, 2008 3:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CoJack is one of our best offensive players.

Even YOU can’t dispute that. I would think that pretty much makes his inclusion on this list obligatory.

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 18, 2008 3:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh?

He has attempted to dispute that. Repeatedly. Stupidly.

"I'm here to advise you on dispensing horror in this modern military climate. I understand you're a demigod, that's fantastic!"

by kishi on Nov 18, 2008 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought

he has really only attempted to deride CoJack as a defender and offensively against OTHER 1Bs…..

Besides, I said “can’t”. Attempting to dispute it doesn’t mean it was successful. ;-)

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 18, 2008 4:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's been pretty general with the derision lately.

From his post about a month ago:

Trade CJ for what ever we can get for some LHB. He’s a poor defensive 1b and …at best…an average defensive lf that can’t hit more than 12-15 bombs.

Because home runs are the only important thing a batter does, apparently.

"I'm here to advise you on dispensing horror in this modern military climate. I understand you're a demigod, that's fantastic!"

by kishi on Nov 18, 2008 4:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phil

I went ahead and deleted that fanshot. Sorry if it offended you.

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 18, 2008 8:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

It’s an important issue, and one that certainly affects the franchise. I wasn’t offended by it. I’m depressed by it. :-(

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 19, 2008 10:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Minsunderstanding, I think

unnamedDBacksfan posted a fanshot about how the White Sox were leaving Tucson and speculated that the Diamondbacks might be leaving Tucson, too. ’Skins replied that it was lame, and I think unnamed mistook that ’Skins was saying that the post and/or speculation was lame, rather than the general issue of baseball abandoning Tucson.

"I'm here to advise you on dispensing horror in this modern military climate. I understand you're a demigod, that's fantastic!"

by kishi on Nov 19, 2008 2:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Precisely.

Good thing I’m so articulate.

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 19, 2008 3:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easy

cause you have no idea what you are talking about, as usual

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 18, 2008 9:56 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time will tell.

Many bloggers thought that Nippert was all that. I argued that he wasn’t and took a lot of flack on that one Where is he now?

Many bloggers felt that Ed-it’s-Gon was all that. I argued that he was no better than a fungible RHP and took a lot of flack for that. Last I heard not one single ML club was willing to pick him up for nothing more than a roster spot.

Many bloggers felt (and still do) that CJ is all that and keep telling me to wait for his break out season. Everyone here knows that I have taken a lot of flack for that.

We’ll see.

by foulpole on Nov 20, 2008 4:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If only

we were all as smart as — dammit!! There I go being sarcastic again. Well, that didn’t last too long.

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 20, 2008 4:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm pretty sure

No one thought of EdGon as anything more than a serviceable arm for the back end of the rotation who could also be slotted into long relief. If that’s “all that,” then so be it.

And I don’t think most bloggers really care if you wait for CoJack to “break out.” We’ll continue to be impressed by his solid play both at the plate and in left.

by Azreous on Nov 20, 2008 5:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always

hoped for EdGon, but maybe it was more for his luscious, flowing hair.

You keep on rowin', and I'll keep on smilin'.

by soco on Nov 20, 2008 7:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

…maybe it was more for his luscious, flowing hair.

Well, he does have that going for him…I guess.

;-)

by foulpole on Nov 20, 2008 8:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the

Vidal Sasson shampoo he uses.

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

by unnamedDBacksfan on Nov 20, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The "Latin Lover",

Edgar Gonzalez.

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 24, 2008 6:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strawman arguments
Many bloggers thought that Nippert was all that. I argued that he wasn’t and took a lot of flack on that one Where is he now?

Actually, the debate was about Nippert vs. Medders for getting the last bullpen slot. Where is Nippert now ?: Penciled in to be a member of the Rangers rotation after finishing the season up strong. The real question should be….where is Medders ? To coin a phrase, " LMAO !! "

Many bloggers felt that Ed-it’s-Gon was all that. I argued that he was no better than a fungible RHP and took a lot of flack for that. Last I heard not one single ML club was willing to pick him up for nothing more than a roster spot.

Actually most if not all thought that he had the potential to be a decent 4th or 5th starter…..not quite sure if that qualifies as “all that”.
 or what your definition of “all that” is. It’s intentionally vague enough to allow you some wiggle room though….so it suits your purpose. The central part of the debate over Edgar was whether or not he had truly been given a chance. That question was mostly answered in 2007 and by early 08. You were right about Edgar. He’s not good enough. Nobody is right on every player, and nobody is wrong on every player. I’ll give you Edgar.

Many bloggers felt (and still do) that CJ is all that and keep telling me to wait for his break out season. Everyone here knows that I have taken a lot of flack for that.

What you take flack for is for constant, incessant, non stop trolling and bashing of this one player, while constructing all manner of nonsensical arguments to counter the obvious evidence: He is the team’s best all around offensive player, and played a very good LF last year. Furthermore, CJ was indeed having a breakout season until he suffered a tear in his Labrum in early August, an injury we didn’t know about until after the season was over.

by shoewizard on Nov 24, 2008 5:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my guess: Drew

what he did this second half was amazing, and made me believe he can be in Jimmy Rollins company at my “respect list” of SS.

speaking of mvp’s, I have a question:
Isn’t the baseball market a little bit inflated?
All the economical crisis cutting heads around the world and we see guys talking about giving 140kk for 6 years of Sabathia… 80kk for 5 years of AJ…
ok ok, some of you will say “but the yankees can”, but does’nt it sounds crazy? even stupid?
I mean, is it really worth to invest all this money on a couple guys?
I’m trying to understand it =[ need help =X

Wikipedia is accurate. (citation needed)

by Muu on Nov 18, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Drew would be my guess as well but I’m not convinced that he will play with the B-backs long enough to get that level of recognition.

He is only signed through ‘09 and with his agent I really doubt that he’ll be here long enough to reach his full potential. Don’t get me wrong. I feel that he is the most important piece for the org to extend into a very long term deal but I doubt that the FO will spring for the $$$.

by foulpole on Nov 20, 2008 4:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I voted Drew as well,

for the simple reason that he’s a SS, and therefore, has a better chance of standing out offensively.

But I was consciously voting for Drew as MVP…. and NOT necessarily Drew as MVP as a Dback.

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Nov 20, 2008 4:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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