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The Arizona Diamondbacks pool sponsor. Riviera Pools, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Thursday, the latest in a line of valley pool companies to feel the crunch.

"We had no idea it was going to get so bad," said Ron Ostlund, owner of Riviera Pools. Riviera Pools could not hold on, and it closed. The company owes 50 to 99 creditors, according to court filings. "We thought we could survive," Ostlund said. "We were downsizing and we've been struggling since April, but it's been getting worse and worse."

They were also locked out of their headquarters on Friday, after failing to pay its lease there: the company had only six employees, down from 105 as recently as January. Of course, the team signed as five-year, $1 million deal with the Diamondbacks for naming rights to the pool area before this season. I am thinking the team will not be seeing any money from that going forward. I think we should club together and make them an offer to rename it the AZ SnakePit Pool Pavilion.

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“and you get a better *Poo*l!”

by leemellon on Oct 6, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that would kill two birds with one stone.

Most Snakepitters have good records when attending games, so it would help the team’s record and increase awareness of here. Win win.

by Azreous on Oct 6, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Less is More (and Up is Down)

From The Republic’s barely three week old series of elaborate snowjobs concerning the Dbacks:

“It’s a tough market with real estate and pool companies right now . . . but business is up,” said Ron Ostlund, chief executive of Riviera Pools. “I give a lot of credit for that to the Diamondbacks. The exposure is just so unbelievable.”

Turns out they’ve been “downsizing and struggling since April” (ie when they signed the Diamondbacks deal). Ostlund’s right about one thing.

His exposure is unbelievable ;-)

by Diamondhacks on Oct 6, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

In his defense

The problem does not seem to be entirely his business: the article more leans towards the fact that banks have basically stopped lending out money for pools. “Within the past 30 days, Ostlund said AmeriFirst Home Improvement Finance, one of 11 lenders his company used, declined 33 pool loans worth about $827,272.”

by Jim McLennan on Oct 6, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you approve

September loans for a guy on the verge of bankruptcy and a reputation for building substandard pools to break ground in this environment? I wouldnt. Responsible builders like Shasta are managing. Some indications are they’re even thriving, reworking Ostlund’s and others mistakes. His blurb about AmeriFirst is just more self-serving swill, designed to deflect from his self-inflicted blunders.

My main point, though, wasnt to expose Ostlund’s business execution . I’m exposing the guy as a bullshitter, to say in September that “business is up” and to say in October “we’ve been downsizing and we’ve been struggling since April”.

Anybody can spend millions on marketing, corral prospective buyers and crow that “business is up”. But if you’re not building pools, business is not up.

by Diamondhacks on Oct 6, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er...

Those are loans to his customers, not to him. As for Shasta, the article says “Shasta has had to reduce its overhead 20 percent to 30 percent to be in line with the market, he said, and is relying on other streams of revenue, including manufacturing pool automation systems, working on commercial pools and selling supplies at its six stores in Phoenix.” Doesn’t sound like “thriving” to me, if they are having to bail out their pool-building side is with the sale of floaties.

Their senior manager agrees with Ostlund: “Financing is a big part of it... The entire market is off, and you can attribute that to the availability of financing and the rate of which homes are being built.” Really, your apparent desire to gloat over Riviera’s failure is blinding you to what appear to be widely-accepted facts. Was he bullshitting? Probably. But the worst thing any company can do is admit they’re in trouble: that’s a sure-fire way to guarantee you go down the tubes. You can’t blame him – or the Diamondbacks – for that.

by Jim McLennan on Oct 6, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moon Riviera*

Those are loans to his customers, not to him.

Understood, but not that simple. They’re loans to his customers for work that he performs. Why are customers of more reputable builders able to acquire financing with a higher degree of success than Mr Ostlund’s customers? Our friend at Shasta said that despite the poor market, “we’re finding there are people who still want to buy pools.”

Shasta…Doesn’t sound like "thriving" to me.

In the traditionally understood sense of year to year sales, you’re right. In terms of market share, in a crumbling market, I believe I’m right. It’s all relative, I suppose.

“Financing is a big part of it… The entire market is off…”

Absolutely. No argument there. It’s hurt everyone. Lots of small guys have gone out of business. What’s different, at least to me, is that Riviera isnt a small guy. Riviera is an outfit that rapidly (and irresponsibly) expanded into the teeth of a well established housing downturn. Mr Ostlund paid the Dbacks a million dollars to attract business (I’m sure that it did, btw), despite having no idea whether it would help him sell more pools!

He doesn’t have any hard facts or figures to indicate if his $1 million investment will pay off. “It was more a gut feeling than anything else,” Ostlund said.

your apparent desire to gloat over Riviera’s failure is blinding you to what appear to be widely-accepted facts. Was he bullshitting? Probably.

Probably? Probably? lol. The Republic calls in September, wants to know how the Dbacks’ sponsorship is going. He says it’s a really tough time in the industry, but his business is up. As his payroll has plummeted from something like 100 to 10 people? And you’re willing to acknowledge he’s probably bullshitting. Um. Okay :-).

But the worst thing any company can do is admit they’re in trouble: that’s a sure-fire way to guarantee you go down the tubes.

Actually, just the opposite is true. It’s this superficial, bullshitting culture of misleading success (ie not accounting for potential risks and real trouble) that’s led to today’s encompassing economic dilemma: EnRon, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Bros. The same slippery Madison Ave values pervade government, education, health care, and have trickled down to ordinary citizens. Ron Ostlund is a product of that.
 
I dont mean to gloat over his failure, but merely to point it out when he and others are pussyfooting around it. I dont take pleasure from people losing their jobs or from disillusioned paying customers. And I totally agree times are very tough. I just refuse to see him as primarily a victim of sudden circumstance here. He’s as responsible for the decline of his company as he was for it’s rise, and any contrary notion reeks of that same purposeful superficiality, imo.

(title asterisk: hey, at least I got in a stilted Audrey Hepburn reference)

by Diamondhacks on Oct 6, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ostlund speaks

“The best thing we ever did was our tie-in with the Diamondbacks, and it more than paid for itself the first year. But we can’t justify that expense. We are going through reorganization, and we will be much smaller when we come out. We can’t afford to do it.” — Link

by Jim McLennan on Oct 6, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the Dbacks deal brought Riviera prospects

(and some actual sales), but Mr Ostlund wants to wax about sales for a reason. First, it focuses blame on an externality he has little control over (ie the very real credit crunch). Second, he appears determined to justify his ostentatious marketing strategy.

But the credit crunch and lack of sales didnt do in Riviera Pools. Overhead and costs did in Riviera Pools. A fatal misread of established local market conditions did in Riviera Pools. Listening to a man with 50-99 creditors gush about the “success” of his eye popping ad outlays, leaves little doubt why he’s in Chapter 11.

by Diamondhacks on Oct 7, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does this

mean that if we are the sponsors, we can go to the pool whenever we want?

I have an irrational mancrush on Stephen Drew.

by Snakebitten on Oct 6, 2008 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Is that what they mean

by ‘pooling’ your rescources?

Bob Melvin: Black Denarian in disguise.

by nargel on Oct 6, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you! Thank you! Try the veal.

SCA, a degree in snark and an only nodding aquantance with baseball minutae limit my options a bit. :)

Bob Melvin: Black Denarian in disguise.

by nargel on Oct 7, 2008 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Took the page

right out of my own book….

"If the government's nuclear football ever were to fall into the wrong hands, Chris Horton would be called upon to intercept it on behalf of the Pentagon." -Kissing Suzy Kolber

by DbacksSkins on Oct 8, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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