Diamondbacks 1, Rockies 5 - Nobody, No Time
Quotes of the day
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""I was shocked because I've never seen anything like that from these fans. It didn't show very much class. ... Usually, I would expect that out of Shea or Philly." -- Brian Fuentes
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"In the Dominican, they throw Brugal [rum] bottles, which are glass. It's a common occurrence down there. I've been hit with one. [Tonight] may have been a little overreacting." -- Eric Byrnes
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"It's too bad it became about the umpires. But I think it shows that we don't have such an apathetic crowd, clearly." -- Derrick Hall
Ouch. That was not the National League Championship Series I signed up for. I signed up for the one in which the two best teams in the league collided, an ultimate test of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object. Whenever that series starts, please let me know - because it clearly wasn't last night. I wouldn't have minded so much if the Rockies had been clearly superior - but we actually had more hits (9-8) and more extra-base hits (2-0) than them.
Witness the first run. A broken-bat bleeder, a weakly-hit single through the infield, a walk and a double-play ground out. They literally [and I hope this doesn't bring the Writing Style Police down on my head again] didn't have a hard-hit ball all night - the evening was summed up by Holliday's "single" which started off foul, then came back fair before Reynolds could get to it, then rolled down the line to hit the third-base bag. If the Rockies have a hot-line to the man upstairs, it was kept busy last night. 264 times this year, a team was held without an extra-base hit. Only eleven times all season did they score five or more runs, as the Rockies did last night.
Brad Hawpe was, once again, the Webb-slayer, with that bases-loaded single (a little bleeder, naturally) that scored two runs and put the Rockies 4-1 up. If we'd got him out there, it would only have been a one run game, and we'd still have been very much in it. Instead, Hawpe extended his mastery over our ace: this year, he has now gone 11-for-17, ridiculous numbers at which point the small sample size ceases to matter [even a .300 hitter has only a 0.3% chance of doing that or better by luck]. Those were his 12th and 13th RBI of the season off Webb. Nobody else has more than four. Before Game Five - if there is one, and we'll have to play a damn sight better to get there - Webb might want to brush up on his hunting skills and lurk near Coors with a sniperscope.
But, it has to be admitted, Arizona didn't deserve to win, either, save the first inning where they came out top, with an RBI double by Byrnes. After the Rockies scored three in the third, we had our chances, but simply failed to convert them. Drew twice came up representing the tying run: the first time, in the fifth, he fought ferociously, finally going down swinging on the ninth pitch. In the seventh, however, he was facing Affeldt - a prospect that appeared to disturb Rockies fans as much as us bringing in, say, Brandon Medders for that situation. But he swung at the first pitch, and flew out to right.
Eric Byrnes had two hits, while Chris Young had our only two walks of the night, and the game ended when Montero doubled off the left-field wall, but overslid second and was tagged out. An appropriate metaphor for the entire evening, it has to be said. Francis tied us up once again, but the real difference was, he got the big outs when he needed them: Webb didn't. Juan Cruz did not look good in his appearance, walking two and throwing a wild-pitch, though wasn't helped by Jackson muffing a play. Snyder, behind the plate, was also poor defensively.
About the only bright spots were Nippert and Peña. The former looked very sharp, in particular demolishing Hawpe, striking him out on three straight pitches. Webb should ask for lessons - though given the three pitches in question from Nippert were clocked at 97, 97 and 98 mph, it might be tricky for Webb. Pestileñce was perhaps even more venomous, striking out the Rockies on 12 pitches in the ninth. However, that's small compensation on a night when the D-backs looked snake-bit, and the Rockies rolled.
Okay, let's get one thing straight: tossing stuff onto the field is not cool, mm-kay? However, I must admit, a small, dark corner of my soul cheered in the seventh inning when the Arizona fans reacted to a BS interference call on Justin Upton [more on which in a moment] by tossing stuff onto the field. Hah! That'll teach you to call us apathetic and lackadaisical. Let's put things into context, however: if there were a hundred fans involved, that would be about 0.2% of those in attendance. On the other hand, a team is inevitably judged by the worst of its supporters. Just ask the Cubs. Though, having seen the Suns screwed out of a NBA title by bad officiating, I can understand the sensitivity of the fans.
The slide. Let's just review Rule 7.09 (e), shall we?
Well, at least the last sentence does explain why Snyder had to return to second-base after the call. However, stop me if my reading comprehension is wide of the mark, but that appears to outlaw any contact. "Interferes with...a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play." But it just never gets called: how many "interference by runner" plays have there been this season? Even earlier in the same game, I think it was the fourth, when Chris Snyder hit into a double-play. Mark Reynold slid, extremely hard, into Kaz Matsu: I can assure you his 'intent' was not to invite the Rockies player for a beer. If the second baseman hadn't got the throw off, would that have been called interference? Hell, no. It's just never enforced - except, suddenly, during the seventh inning of the opening game in the National League Championship Series, it appears.
Over on ESPN, Amy Nelson writes, "Though the official attendance was 48,142, when the first pitch was thrown, there were thousands of empty seats, an embarrassment for a championship series game. Most of the seats were eventually filled, but that didn't mean the scalpers were having much success." Usual ESPN quality job of research there, Amy: if you'd looked outside, you'd have seen what I saw as I left work, two blocks from Chase, as the game started. That would be large numbers of people still arriving, thanks to I-10 being severely backed-up. What a great idea, to start a baseball game in the middle of rush-hour. Well done, MLB and TBS!
Not the most enjoyable of Gameday Threads for obvious reasons, but we appreciate the effort - special shoutout to Silverblood, the honored ambassador from Purple Row, for calming words of wisdom. Snakecharmer will run her roll-call script this morning, and that will be posted here. Correct me if I missed anyobdy: azdb7, Silverblood, soco, singaporedbacksfan, DbacksSkins, TwinnerA, Devin, 4CornersFan, hotclaws, johngordonma, andrewinnewyork, Stile4aly, monica in el paso, snakecharmer, seton hall snake pit, Turumbar, ghostofrooney, westcoastbias, Xeifrank, Jim McLennan, RockiesFan, nargel, NLWestFan, peeklay, oklahomasooners, Wimb, npineda, cj060896, Just Me, Zephon, britdback, Englishdback, nihil67, LucaMaz3, Pigpen Fan, and Adam.
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Master of his domain: Eric Byrnes, +13.0%
God-emperor of suck: Brandon Webb, -17.5%
Honorary suckness: Conor Jackson, -13.1%
It ain't over, but that defeat certainly does not make our job this evening any easier. It basically becomes a "must win" game for Doug Davis, as we can not afford to go to Denver 0-2 down. If he wins, giving us a split, we're still following my plan towards Game Seven, just not quite the way I expected it to happen. We'll definitely need our hitters to perform a good deal better than they did last night. The comfort is, I really didn't feel like we were out-classed: a few breaks and, yes, some umpiring calls didn't go our way. Hopefully that has flushed all the suckiness and bad fortune out for the series.
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I still have hopes that our forgetful team comes back tomorrow and takes care of business (and Davis, once again, proves that he's a good pitcher). However, I do have this sinking feeling that Colorado may never lose another game... ever.
by nihil67 on Oct 12, 2007 12:08 PM EDT 0 recs
interference
however, i gotta tell you -- that interference call was right on. everyone slides hard into 2nd to try and break up a double play -- no big deal. but upton, after passing the bag, decides to launch himself off the ground and do a barrel roll, while throwing an egregious elbow. this is way beyond the typical hard slide/collision i usually see at 2nd, and it's unacceptable.
luckily, i don't think it would've made a damn bit of difference -- luck was going the rockies' way last night. here's hoping for an exciting series that goes the full 7 games.
by dlj02000 on Oct 12, 2007 12:24 PM EDT 0 recs
Yup
by AZSEAfan on
Oct 12, 2007 1:22 PM EDT
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Arod 'slappy' move?
And if you were watching the postgame show, Cal Ripken completely agrees with me. He disagrees with the call and the rule. (Or at least how it was enforced) He said that that's just how the game is played. Or... is Cal Ripken suddenly classless too?
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 1:47 PM EDT
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ripken?
there are other reasonable, intelligent baseball experts who will agree and disagree with him, and no one has anointed cal to be the final arbiter in these decisions.
and for the record, i certainly don't think this was nearly as bad as a-rod's slap -- but anytime someone launches into a flying barrel roll with elbows flailing, don't complain if the umps call him on it. it was a rookie mistake; the runner at first was likely to be safe anyway, and upton should've been aware of that, regardless of how you feel about the call.
by dlj02000 on
Oct 12, 2007 1:57 PM EDT
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I used Cal as an example
Let the players play.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 2:04 PM EDT
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i completely agree about cal,
the whole "let the players play" argument has never sat quite right with me, because it's too vague. if the rule is to let the players play (i.e. interference is almost never called), wouldn't that allow a-rod to slap the ball out of anyone's glove whenever he felt like it? how is that different from intentionally throwing an elbow to block a throw?
by dlj02000 on
Oct 12, 2007 2:14 PM EDT
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I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion.
It's not just baseball for me, either. I've been annoyed ever since the NFL banned pass defense and ever since... well, everytime I watch an NBA game. That's one reason why I love Big East basketball. Besides the fact that I'm a Georgetown fan, Big East refs actually let the players play ball.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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what percentage
by johngordonma on
Oct 12, 2007 2:28 PM EDT
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To be fair
Kidding, of course. Upton was out of line, there. I'm hoping it's just a matter of an over-enthusiastic rookie, trying too hard.
by kishi on
Oct 12, 2007 1:39 PM EDT
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The call was technically correct,
Remember, Tim McClelland, the crew chief of this series, was the home plate umpire during the George Brett Pine-Tar Incident. This series could get really ugly.
by davewillie on
Oct 12, 2007 2:21 PM EDT
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I've always hated Tim McClelland.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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I think the interference call was mainly legit
But to use a basketball analogy-- that's the playoffs. Just as hard play is expected in post-season basketball, and ticky-tack fouls are expected less often, I would expect umps to give a little more leeway on an interference call (particularly because Upton was on base after being HIT BY A PITCH, and because it was clear Kaz wouldn't have made the play anyway).
I can only hope that the umps feel after this game that they were a little rough on us and try to ease up. My fear is that they'll be mad at the bottle-throwers and decide we don't deserve to win.
by andrewinnewyork on Oct 12, 2007 12:38 PM EDT 0 recs
Where are we?
by 4CornersFan on Oct 12, 2007 12:52 PM EDT 0 recs
Didn't you hear about the earthquake?
by andrewinnewyork on
Oct 12, 2007 1:09 PM EDT
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Weird
by kishi on
Oct 12, 2007 1:38 PM EDT
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Huh
Oh, and while I disagree with throwing bottles, etc. onto the field,I wouldn't put it past any other team's fans (drunk or not) to lose their cool and throw stuff, so calling Phoenix like this is the first time this kind of thing has happened at a baseball game is weak.
by TwinnerA on Oct 12, 2007 1:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Media Misrepresentation
Don't get me wrong, our fans are usually abysmally quiet. After all, we play in "The Mausoleum." But fuck the media for getting on our case THE ONE TIME we actually give a rats ass.
All we'd heard about all week was how lousy we are as fans. That may be true, but we don't need the national press rubbing our noses in it. Bagging on our fans is the job of our fans, like me!
Then the first time we get a little rowdy and behave as fans do in Philly (Phillies and Eagles), New York (Yanks, Giants, Jets) and Oakland (Raiders), we get scolded. And we get scolded by the local press too? What gives? Bickley, pick a side-- we can't be considered too docile any more can we?
The media paints us as (a) tame, disinterested fans who (b) overzealously react to a flukey call. Fucking make up your mind instead of picking on the DBacks fans. Picking on our fans is MY job, not Amy fucKing Nelson, who couldn't tell Chase Field from Lambeau Field.
by tabe1978 on Oct 12, 2007 1:47 PM EDT 0 recs
It's not just the national media.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 1:49 PM EDT
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Just more fodder...
I've read Kiszla over my summers in Colorado, and I've never been particularly impressed. This certainly does nothing for that perception.
by Azreous on
Oct 12, 2007 1:53 PM EDT
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what a schmuck
by johngordonma on
Oct 12, 2007 2:40 PM EDT
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Trust me
by Silverblood on
Oct 12, 2007 3:57 PM EDT
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if it makes you feel any better
by johngordonma on
Oct 12, 2007 5:01 PM EDT
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Ay, there's the rub
by kishi on
Oct 12, 2007 1:52 PM EDT
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Great minds, Devin. ;-)
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 1:56 PM EDT
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Well played
by kishi on
Oct 12, 2007 2:08 PM EDT
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Hmmm....
I guess that means there are no idiotic Dbacks fans?
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 2:12 PM EDT
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Om
by kishi on
Oct 12, 2007 2:44 PM EDT
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It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom.
Doug Davis, over the last two years, has an ERA against the Rockies of about 2.5, and an ERA this year of 3.18. Those aren't bad numbers. Livan, on the other hand, had a 1.54 ERA against the Rox this year.
Here's to the Dbacks bouncing back, as they've done so well so often this season, and winning this series.
by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 2:01 PM EDT 0 recs
not do or die game
by johngordonma on Oct 12, 2007 2:56 PM EDT 0 recs
Paola Boivin fires back.
by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 3:02 PM EDT 0 recs
Well said
And if it gets the team's engine revving too, at least we can get something good out of a stupid situation.
by kishi on
Oct 12, 2007 3:21 PM EDT
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Ha ha
Yeah, Paola, that's us, passive-aggressive. Also some people can't hold their liquor. When do they usually stop selling liquor at the games? Isn't it always in the 7th inning?
by TwinnerA on Oct 12, 2007 3:59 PM EDT 0 recs
I don't know about you
I think our fans should show up and start throwing shit on the field BEFORE the game. Bottles, batteries, BOBcats, children. I'd rather be called knuckleheads than passive. Let's let them KNOW WE ARE HERE.
Well, Jim will be there anyway. I'll be in Brooklyn at my poker game. Looking over my shoulder to see the tv. My wife at home looking after the baby. God she's a saint.
by andrewinnewyork on Oct 12, 2007 4:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Interference Call
by dbackerinparadise on Oct 12, 2007 5:34 PM EDT 0 recs
Preaching to the choir on McClelland.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 5:45 PM EDT
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The delay
Didnt he make the call on the last play of the padres/rockies 1 game playoff? i wonder how they feel about him right now.
by Adam on
Oct 12, 2007 7:12 PM EDT
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Yep, that was TMack.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 7:25 PM EDT
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Don't forget, also,
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 7:53 PM EDT
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wait a minute...
by dbackerinparadise on
Oct 12, 2007 8:13 PM EDT
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Shocking, I know.
by DbacksSkins on
Oct 12, 2007 8:19 PM EDT
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No surprises
by soco on Oct 12, 2007 8:47 PM EDT 0 recs
















