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Diamondbacks 1, Rockies 5 - Nobody, No Time

Quotes of the day

  • ""I was shocked because I've never seen anything like that from these fans. It didn't show very much class. ... Usually, I would expect that out of Shea or Philly." -- Brian Fuentes

  • "In the Dominican, they throw Brugal [rum] bottles, which are glass. It's a common occurrence down there. I've been hit with one. [Tonight] may have been a little overreacting." -- Eric Byrnes

  • "It's too bad it became about the umpires. But I think it shows that we don't have such an apathetic crowd, clearly." -- Derrick Hall

Ouch. That was not the National League Championship Series I signed up for. I signed up for the one in which the two best teams in the league collided, an ultimate test of the irresistible force meeting the immovable object. Whenever that series starts, please let me know - because it clearly wasn't last night. I wouldn't have minded so much if the Rockies had been clearly superior - but we actually had more hits (9-8) and more extra-base hits (2-0) than them.

Witness the first run. A broken-bat bleeder, a weakly-hit single through the infield, a walk and a double-play ground out. They literally [and I hope this doesn't bring the Writing Style Police down on my head again] didn't have a hard-hit ball all night - the evening was summed up by Holliday's "single" which started off foul, then came back fair before Reynolds could get to it, then rolled down the line to hit the third-base bag. If the Rockies have a hot-line to the man upstairs, it was kept busy last night. 264 times this year, a team was held without an extra-base hit. Only eleven times all season did they score five or more runs, as the Rockies did last night.

Brad Hawpe was, once again, the Webb-slayer, with that bases-loaded single (a little bleeder, naturally) that scored two runs and put the Rockies 4-1 up. If we'd got him out there, it would only have been a one run game, and we'd still have been very much in it. Instead, Hawpe extended his mastery over our ace: this year, he has now gone 11-for-17, ridiculous numbers at which point the small sample size ceases to matter [even a .300 hitter has only a 0.3% chance of doing that or better by luck]. Those were his 12th and 13th RBI of the season off Webb. Nobody else has more than four. Before Game Five - if there is one, and we'll have to play a damn sight better to get there - Webb might want to brush up on his hunting skills and lurk near Coors with a sniperscope.

But, it has to be admitted, Arizona didn't deserve to win, either, save the first inning where they came out top, with an RBI double by Byrnes. After the Rockies scored three in the third, we had our chances, but simply failed to convert them. Drew twice came up representing the tying run: the first time, in the fifth, he fought ferociously, finally going down swinging on the ninth pitch. In the seventh, however, he was facing Affeldt - a prospect that appeared to disturb Rockies fans as much as us bringing in, say, Brandon Medders for that situation. But he swung at the first pitch, and flew out to right.

Eric Byrnes had two hits, while Chris Young had our only two walks of the night, and the game ended when Montero doubled off the left-field wall, but overslid second and was tagged out. An appropriate metaphor for the entire evening, it has to be said. Francis tied us up once again, but the real difference was, he got the big outs when he needed them: Webb didn't. Juan Cruz did not look good in his appearance, walking two and throwing a wild-pitch, though wasn't helped by Jackson muffing a play. Snyder, behind the plate, was also poor defensively.

About the only bright spots were Nippert and Peña. The former looked very sharp, in particular demolishing Hawpe, striking him out on three straight pitches. Webb should ask for lessons - though given the three pitches in question from Nippert were clocked at 97, 97 and 98 mph, it might be tricky for Webb. Pestileñce was perhaps even more venomous, striking out the Rockies on 12 pitches in the ninth. However, that's small compensation on a night when the D-backs looked snake-bit, and the Rockies rolled.

Okay, let's get one thing straight: tossing stuff onto the field is not cool, mm-kay? However, I must admit, a small, dark corner of my soul cheered in the seventh inning when the Arizona fans reacted to a BS interference call on Justin Upton [more on which in a moment] by tossing stuff onto the field. Hah! That'll teach you to call us apathetic and lackadaisical. Let's put things into context, however: if there were a hundred fans involved, that would be about 0.2% of those in attendance. On the other hand, a team is inevitably judged by the worst of its supporters. Just ask the Cubs. Though, having seen the Suns screwed out of a NBA title by bad officiating, I can understand the sensitivity of the fans.

The slide. Let's just review Rule 7.09 (e), shall we?

If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner.

Well, at least the last sentence does explain why Snyder had to return to second-base after the call. However, stop me if my reading comprehension is wide of the mark, but that appears to outlaw any contact. "Interferes with...a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play." But it just never gets called: how many "interference by runner" plays have there been this season? Even earlier in the same game, I think it was the fourth, when Chris Snyder hit into a double-play. Mark Reynold slid, extremely hard, into Kaz Matsu: I can assure you his 'intent' was not to invite the Rockies player for a beer. If the second baseman hadn't got the throw off, would that have been called interference? Hell, no. It's just never enforced - except, suddenly, during the seventh inning of the opening game in the National League Championship Series, it appears.

Over on ESPN, Amy Nelson writes, "Though the official attendance was 48,142, when the first pitch was thrown, there were thousands of empty seats, an embarrassment for a championship series game. Most of the seats were eventually filled, but that didn't mean the scalpers were having much success." Usual ESPN quality job of research there, Amy: if you'd looked outside, you'd have seen what I saw as I left work, two blocks from Chase, as the game started. That would be large numbers of people still arriving, thanks to I-10 being severely backed-up. What a great idea, to start a baseball game in the middle of rush-hour. Well done, MLB and TBS!

Not the most enjoyable of Gameday Threads for obvious reasons, but we appreciate the effort - special shoutout to Silverblood, the honored ambassador from Purple Row, for calming words of wisdom. Snakecharmer will run her roll-call script this morning, and that will be posted here. Correct me if I missed anyobdy: azdb7, Silverblood, soco, singaporedbacksfan, DbacksSkins, TwinnerA, Devin, 4CornersFan, hotclaws, johngordonma, andrewinnewyork, Stile4aly, monica in el paso, snakecharmer, seton hall snake pit, Turumbar, ghostofrooney, westcoastbias, Xeifrank, Jim McLennan, RockiesFan, nargel, NLWestFan, peeklay, oklahomasooners, Wimb, npineda, cj060896, Just Me, Zephon, britdback, Englishdback, nihil67, LucaMaz3, Pigpen Fan, and Adam.

Gameday Graph

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Master of his domain: Eric Byrnes, +13.0%
God-emperor of suck: Brandon Webb, -17.5%
Honorary suckness: Conor Jackson, -13.1%

It ain't over, but that defeat certainly does not make our job this evening any easier. It basically becomes a "must win" game for Doug Davis, as we can not afford to go to Denver 0-2 down. If he wins, giving us a split, we're still following my plan towards Game Seven, just not quite the way I expected it to happen. We'll definitely need our hitters to perform a good deal better than they did last night. The comfort is, I really didn't feel like we were out-classed: a few breaks and, yes, some umpiring calls didn't go our way. Hopefully that has flushed all the suckiness and bad fortune out for the series.

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My first reaction to this game was to be discouraged, but what I saw on the field last night was what I saw from this team all season.  The long delay obviously cooled off the wrong team.

I still have hopes that our forgetful team comes back tomorrow and takes care of business (and Davis, once again, proves that he's a good pitcher).  However, I do have this sinking feeling that Colorado may never lose another game... ever.

Pow! Right in the math!

by nihil67 on Oct 12, 2007 12:08 PM EDT   0 recs

interference
i'm a neutral party (a lifelong cardinals fan) who is just rooting for either the d-backs or rockies to demolish whichever team wins the ALCS. i love both of these teams -- the d-backs for their youthfulness and refusal to quit, and the rockies for their astounding comeback over the last month.

however, i gotta tell you -- that interference call was right on. everyone slides hard into 2nd to try and break up a double play -- no big deal. but upton, after passing the bag, decides to launch himself off the ground and do a barrel roll, while throwing an egregious elbow. this is way beyond the typical hard slide/collision i usually see at 2nd, and it's unacceptable.

luckily, i don't think it would've made a damn bit of difference -- luck was going the rockies' way last night. here's hoping for an exciting series that goes the full 7 games.

by dlj02000 on Oct 12, 2007 12:24 PM EDT   0 recs

Yup
I agree with the call and am pretty upset that Upton thought that what he did was necessary. Pretty bush league stuff right there. Might as well pull an Arod "slappy" move while he's at it.

by AZSEAfan on Oct 12, 2007 1:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Arod 'slappy' move?
Bull. This was NOTHING like that. Hard slides happen all the time in baseball. The way I see it, so long as Upton never left the base path, it should never have been called.

And if you were watching the postgame show, Cal Ripken completely agrees with me. He disagrees with the call and the rule. (Or at least how it was enforced) He said that that's just how the game is played. Or... is Cal Ripken suddenly classless too?

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 1:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ripken?
i am a huge fan of ripken. but for every expert you find who disagrees with the call, you can easily find one who agrees with it. it's just simply not a valid argument to say that the call was bad because ripken said so.

there are other reasonable, intelligent baseball experts who will agree and disagree with him, and no one has anointed cal to be the final arbiter in these decisions.

and for the record, i certainly don't think this was nearly as bad as a-rod's slap -- but anytime someone launches into a flying barrel roll with elbows flailing, don't complain if the umps call him on it. it was a rookie mistake; the runner at first was likely to be safe anyway, and upton should've been aware of that, regardless of how you feel about the call.

by dlj02000 on Oct 12, 2007 1:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I used Cal as an example
because, unlike the multitude of umpires on this website, he's actually played the game, and says that's how it's supposed to be done. I also used Cal because nobody would accuse him of being a dirty player or anything of that nature.

Let the players play.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i completely agree about cal,
and i do value his opinion when it comes to something like this. i'm just saying it's unlikely to change anyone's mind (my own included), because lots of reasonable people have looked at the same footage and still have disagreements on whether or not the call was bunk.

the whole "let the players play" argument has never sat quite right with me, because it's too vague. if the rule is to let the players play (i.e. interference is almost never called), wouldn't that allow a-rod to slap the ball out of anyone's glove whenever he felt like it? how is that different from intentionally throwing an elbow to block a throw?

by dlj02000 on Oct 12, 2007 2:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion.
Just justifying my own. As far as I can tell, apparently we have to play another game tonight, and apparently that interference call does not affect tonight's score. (Unless the umps are still pissed. Wouldn't put it past some of 'em.)

It's not just baseball for me, either. I've been annoyed ever since the NFL banned pass defense and ever since... well, everytime I watch an NBA game. That's one reason why I love Big East basketball. Besides the fact that I'm a Georgetown fan, Big East refs actually let the players play ball.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what percentage
of slides into second on DP attempts don't even end with the player touching second?  Maybe 50%?  60%?  70%?  How many of those are called for interference?  Like NONE.  Upton certainly came up with his shoulder and elbow.  But he was ON THE BAG.  There is no justification for an interference call there.  Probably didn't influence the outcome of the game (although you never know), but the only thing bush league about that play was the umpire.

by johngordonma on Oct 12, 2007 2:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To be fair
Montero made that same slide at the end of the game, and the Rockies didn't complain then!

Kidding, of course.  Upton was out of line, there.  I'm hoping it's just a matter of an over-enthusiastic rookie, trying too hard.

I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.

by kishi on Oct 12, 2007 1:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The call was technically correct,
but this is not Little League. Now, the umps have backed themselves into a corner and will be expected to call every play "by the book."

Remember, Tim McClelland, the crew chief of this series, was the home plate umpire during the George Brett Pine-Tar Incident. This series could get really ugly.

by davewillie on Oct 12, 2007 2:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've always hated Tim McClelland.
Period.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the interference call was mainly legit
If any of you saw the Mets-Phillies game in August where the last play of the game was a called interference by a met absolutely clobbering Jimmy Rollins, you will see the call does get made. (That call was more egregious, as the runner was well out of the baseline, but Jupton did in fact throw his arm up pretty wildly).

But to use a basketball analogy-- that's the playoffs. Just as hard play is expected in post-season basketball, and ticky-tack fouls are expected less often, I would expect umps to give a little more leeway on an interference call (particularly because Upton was on base after being HIT BY A PITCH, and because it was clear Kaz wouldn't have made the play anyway).

I can only hope that the umps feel after this game that they were a little rough on us and try to ease up. My fear is that they'll be mad at the bottle-throwers and decide we don't deserve to win.

by andrewinnewyork on Oct 12, 2007 12:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Where are we?
I was awake at 3-ish this morning and was watching TV in an effort to bore myself to sleep.  MSNBC was doing the early morning news.  Their sports reporter informed everybody that for the first time ever, two teams "from the West Coast" were in the championship series.  "West Coast"?  Come on.
"Are we out of bananas? No, we are in of bananas."

by 4CornersFan on Oct 12, 2007 12:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Didn't you hear about the earthquake?
California fell into the ocean yesterday.

by andrewinnewyork on Oct 12, 2007 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Weird
Maybe they think the Cardinals are in it- don't most of them consider the bank of the Mississippi to be the west coast, and beyond that, "here be dragons"?
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.

by kishi on Oct 12, 2007 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh
I disagree with the call.  Like there isn't some sort of intent every time a runner slides into second trying to break up a double play. I don't think Upton had time to think, oh, okay, I am going to throw an arm at Matsui.  He slid kind of sideways and his arms flew while trying to regain his balance to stand up on the bag.

Oh, and while I disagree with throwing bottles, etc. onto the field,I wouldn't put it past any other team's fans (drunk or not) to lose their cool and throw stuff, so calling Phoenix like this is the first time this kind of thing has happened at a baseball game is weak.

by TwinnerA on Oct 12, 2007 1:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Media Misrepresentation
I've been hard on our fans all year, but I give them lots of credit last night.  We booed our brains out on a flukey (although, upon review, arguably correct) call.  We booed like we were Philly and Cubby fans.  And what do we get for it?  A mouthful of sass from Amy K. Nelson at ESPN, and other media idiots.

Don't get me wrong, our fans are usually abysmally quiet.  After all, we play in "The Mausoleum."  But fuck the media for getting on our case THE ONE TIME we actually give a rats ass.

All we'd heard about all week was how lousy we are as fans.  That may be true, but we don't need the national press rubbing our noses in it.  Bagging on our fans is the job of our fans, like me!

Then the first time we get a little rowdy and behave as fans do in Philly (Phillies and Eagles), New York (Yanks, Giants, Jets) and Oakland (Raiders), we get scolded.  And we get scolded by the local press too?  What gives?  Bickley, pick a side-- we can't be considered too docile any more can we?

The media paints us as (a) tame, disinterested fans who (b) overzealously react to a flukey call.  Fucking make up your mind instead of picking on the DBacks fans.  Picking on our fans is MY job, not Amy fucKing Nelson, who couldn't tell Chase Field from Lambeau Field.

by tabe1978 on Oct 12, 2007 1:47 PM EDT   0 recs

It's not just the national media.
This Denver writer seems to be trying to incite a rivalry between our teams as well. Let's just see how the Denver fans react to something like this.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 1:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just more fodder...
We've seen that angle all week, but this is just a new spin on it. It's like some of the national writers can't think of a compelling reason to watch this series (besides the two solid, young teams with likeable personalities and youthful exuberance, etc.?), so they have to try and invent some kind of rivalry to bump up the stakes.

I've read Kiszla over my summers in Colorado, and I've never been particularly impressed. This certainly does nothing for that perception.

by Azreous on Oct 12, 2007 1:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what a schmuck
Ridiculous, incendiary, juvenile article.  This is the kind of stuff that is in the NY Sun not a reputable paper like the Post.  What an idiot.

by johngordonma on Oct 12, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Trust me
All the Rockies fans think Kiz is a hack as well. Don't think that represents us, as much as we don't think the actions of a few represent you.
Friendly visiting Rockies fan.

by Silverblood on Oct 12, 2007 3:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if it makes you feel any better
I'm sure your Sun sports guys are better than the Republic crew.  What a bunch of know-nothing jokes they are.

by johngordonma on Oct 12, 2007 5:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ay, there's the rub
It's very interesting how quickly the media has gone from "the Diamondbacks have no fans" to "the Diamondbacks fans are all idiots."  Or, in certain cases, going with both.  
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.

by kishi on Oct 12, 2007 1:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great minds, Devin. ;-)
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 1:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well played
If only I hadn't gotten distracted while checking my Shakespeare spelling, we might have been simultaneous!
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.

by kishi on Oct 12, 2007 2:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm....
The Dbacks either have no fans, or have exclusively idiot fans.

I guess that means there are no idiotic Dbacks fans?

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Om
Meditate upon these questions and seek the deeper truth, sravaka.
I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.

by kishi on Oct 12, 2007 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom.
I mentioned this over at Purple Row, but Webb had a 6+ ERA against the Rox this year, so I'm not terribly shocked. Of course, having to deal with Tim McClelland's shitty strike zone didn't help, either. And I love how McClelland, since he takes 20 minutes to call every ball and strike, is so easily fooled by the catcher framing the pitch.

Doug Davis, over the last two years, has an ERA against the Rockies of about 2.5, and an ERA this year of 3.18. Those aren't bad numbers. Livan, on the other hand, had a 1.54 ERA against the Rox this year.

Here's to the Dbacks bouncing back, as they've done so well so often this season, and winning this series.

Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 2:01 PM EDT   0 recs

not do or die game
I don't think tonight is do or die.  I mean, I'd LOVE to win it, but with the Rockies pitching, there aren't any games in the series that are unwinnable.  Going down 2-0 would put us in a serious, but not impossible hole.

by johngordonma on Oct 12, 2007 2:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Paola Boivin fires back.
Paola had something to say about the national media and especially the Denver Post columnist.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 3:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Well said
I'm not a huge Boivin fan, but I think she nailed it there.  I'm hoping people will see what people are saying, read her column, and get fired up in positive ways.

And if it gets the team's engine revving too, at least we can get something good out of a stupid situation.

I'm not superstitious, but I'm a little stitious.

by kishi on Oct 12, 2007 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha ha
Just noticed the Nobody, No Time in the headline of the blog.  Every time the players aren't doing well I say the same thing.  

Yeah, Paola, that's us, passive-aggressive.  Also some people can't hold their liquor.  When do they usually stop selling liquor at the games?  Isn't it always in the 7th inning?

by TwinnerA on Oct 12, 2007 3:59 PM EDT   0 recs

I don't know about you
but I can get down a beer an inning, so just cause they've cut me off in the seventh doesn't mean I'm not rip-rearing to the wind. Plus I have six or seven empties to chuck on the field.

I think our fans should show up and start throwing shit on the field BEFORE the game. Bottles, batteries, BOBcats, children. I'd rather be called knuckleheads than passive. Let's let them KNOW WE ARE HERE.

Well, Jim will be there anyway. I'll be in Brooklyn at my poker game. Looking over my shoulder to see the tv. My wife at home looking after the baby. God she's a saint.

by andrewinnewyork on Oct 12, 2007 4:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Interference Call
I don't know exactly where I stand on this. I know this, though, I don't blame Upton for trying to break up the double play. Yes, his arms did flail; yes, he did go out of his way to impede the throw; but the intent wasn't to injure or anything ridiculous. The call was harsh, as the rule's enforcement is selective at best. The worst part of the rule, in my mind, is Snyder, for who knows what, having to go back to 2nd. What angered me more was McClelland's inane strike zone. But then again, I've always disliked McClelland. I mean, does anybody else think his strike call is on a three second delay?
our win differential is more important than your run differential...

by dbackerinparadise on Oct 12, 2007 5:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Preaching to the choir on McClelland.
And yet this douchebag gets to be crew chief of the NLCS umpiring crew...
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 5:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The delay
call drive me nuts. i think it pisses the players off too. even pitchers i would bet.

Didnt he make the call on the last play of the padres/rockies 1 game playoff? i wonder how they feel about him right now.

by Adam on Oct 12, 2007 7:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep, that was TMack.
I think the delay pises everyone off. If you have to think about whether or not it was a ball or a strike, you shouldn't be an umpire. The strike zone should be instinctual.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 7:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't forget, also,
that McClelland was the umpire during the pine tar incident, and was actually overruled by the league office for misinterpreting the rules.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wait a minute...
You're telling me that the guy who screwed up the pine tar incident was crew chief over a controversial interference call? Who would have guessed?
our win differential is more important than your run differential...

by dbackerinparadise on Oct 12, 2007 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Shocking, I know.
Come on, Sandy Baby, loosen up. You're too tight.

by DbacksSkins on Oct 12, 2007 8:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No surprises
the national mediots love to hate Arizona.  Nothing we can do about it but just keep doing what we do (which isn't throw bottles, before someone decides to be clever).  
Stay grindy, my friends.

by soco on Oct 12, 2007 8:47 PM EDT   0 recs

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