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The Prodigal Returneth

Welcome back to Arizona, Randy. We know you liked it here: four Cy Youngs, a World Series ring and co-MVP, a record of 103-49, and that miniscule 2.65 ERA in almost 1,400 innings of work, with 1832 K's. Though you left in a bit of a huff, who can blame you after winning almost one-third of all our games in 2004? But this isn't those Diamondbacks any more: the only regulars surviving from that roster are Tracy and some guy called Webb, whom you might have heard mention of on the East coast. He's pretty good.*

The formal parameters of the deal have not as yet been made clear, but it appears to be as follows. The official line is as follows: we have agreed a deal with the Yankees, that sends Johnson back to Arizona in exchange for reliever Luis Vizcaino, Minor League prospects and $2m in cash. Josh Byrnes declined to say which prospects are involved in the deal, but we'll get to those very shortly. We now have a 72-hour window to discuss the contract status with the Big Unit's agents Barry Meister and Alan Nero. This serves two purposes, to get him officially to waive his no-trade clause, and to come to terms on a contract extension for 2008.

Of course, the phrase "Minor League prospects" bears a little closer examination, since the crucial part of the deal was what we'd have to give back to the Yankees. The good news is, nothing of stunning significance, or so it appears thus far. The names which are apparently being mentioned are Ross Ohlendorf, right-hand pitcher Steven Jackson (a 2.65 ERA in 24 Double-A starts, but got torched in the AFL) and Alberto Gonzalez, a shortstop better reputed for his glove-work than his bat: According to John Sickels list at Major League Ball, none of them are ranked higher than #18 as far as Arizona is concerned. Curiously, the three players were consecutive on Sickel's list, from #18-20.

AlGon was the highest-ranked shortstop in the Arizona system, but really, with Drew looking set to be there through 2011, do we need anyone else? Especially someone named Gonzalez. :-) His line in Tennessee last year was .290/.356/.392, for a .748 OPS, and had a quick cup of coffee in Tucson with the Sidewinders. Jackson was originally hoped to have a Webb-like sinker, but the reality seemed less than the advance promotion, and those who saw him during the Arizona Fall League were largely unimpressed. There, he threw 19 innings, giving up 15 earned runs on 24 hits and nine walks.

And then there's Ohlendorf, whom the Yankees are regarding as the jewel in the trade and who perhaps does have the highest potential upside. But, really, what are we talking here? Apart from the usual caveat that there's no such thing as a pitching prospect, he was only a fourth-round pick, and his 2006 year was a lot better than the previous one, so that could be an aberration. I am slightly sorry to see him go, but as terrors go, I think I can handle it, and should be able to sleep [though the heavy, ongoing doses of NyQuil will probably help there!]

All told, my first instinct is that I like this deal. It probably works out at about $24m/2 years of Johnson, and while he may not quite be the Cy Young winner he was in his first stint, he should still prove a credible threat - whenever he comes back to full fitness [I'm currently thinking probably around the end of June?] Assuming the players in question are as widely reported, we've kept hold of our best prospects, and traded a few mid-level ones for a player who could put us over the top in 2007. Delighted to see that mvn.com proved to be wildly wrong in their expectations and claims of who the Yankees would be getting in the trade. Goddamn bloggers. ;-)

I particularly liked the analysis quoted by William K in the comments, that if you add the trades we've done since Johnson left, the net result is Chris Young, Evan McLane and Juan Cruz for Ross Ohlendorf. Which is pretty cool. Anyway, that's your lot, and I have to go to bed - the NyQuil is kicking in - but questions for discussion, either here, or in the convenient diary opened by dbackfan25 over on the right. Does Arizona now have the best rotation in the NL West, in Webb, Johnson, Hernandez 2.0, Davis and A.N.Other? Who should be that A.N.Other? Where does this trade leave our bullpen?

[* = Taking a closer look at the 2004 roster reveals the wholesale turnover since that time. We used 27 position players and 25 pitchers during the season, but I think Tracy, Hammock and Snyder are the only survivors still with the organization in any form, from the former category, while among the pitchers, we have Webb, EdGon, Valverde, and now, the Big Unit. All told, that's an 87% turnover rate, in little more than two years, since the nightmare which was 2004.]

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#5 starter
I have seen alot of reports naming Cruz as our #5 but I think Edgar is better suited for the job.  I like Cruz as our long reliever.

by DiamondbacksWIn on Jan 5, 2007 6:51 AM EST reply actions  

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#5 starter is the Unit.  He doesn't have too much left anymore.  All his numbers are on a downward trend.

by ReLaunch on Jan 5, 2007 6:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Please , Cupid , Make It Happen...
You know you miss the WalRus , sign HIM as your #5!
Because you know if you don't we will...and I just can't have that.

If you do , we'll trade Benitez for a bucket of...those stadium dogs Sir Jim so loves!

Zito! Awwwwwright! Now we're back to....oh no.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 5, 2007 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

downword trend
Yes, his numbers are on a downward trend, but considering he was hurt, his numbers are not still not that bad, and definitely not #5 worthy.  Last year he had a 88 ERA+ (117 in 2005).  Additionally he tossed 225 and 205 innings in the last two years, respectively.  C'mon, Randy is no longer an All Star, or even an ace, but it's not as if he is Russ Ortiz.

by johngordonma on Jan 5, 2007 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

DIPS and LIPS
Check out David Gassko's Dec. 28 article in The Hardball Times.  He claims RJ was the unluckiest pitcher in baseball in 2006.  He gave up 5.49 runs per 9 IP (including unearned runs), but he should have given up somewhere between 4.13 and 4.39.  That's based on the distribution of groundballs, flyballs and line drives he gave up and the normal percentage of each type of batted ball that become hits vs. outs across the majors.  He concludes: "New York can legitimately expect an under-4.00 ERA from the Big Unit next season."  

Moreover, that's without taking into account that he pitched most of last season with a bad back, which caused his K/BB ratio to plummet from 4.49 to 2.87.  (It was 5.10 during his 6 years in AZ.)  If that problem really has been fixed, he should be able to get that ratio at least back up to 4.00.  That would drop his ERA even further, from the high 3's to the low-to-mid 3's.

by fjm235 on Jan 5, 2007 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Performance/Health
I have much lower concern about Randy's performance then I do about his health.  Yes, he's pitched 200 innings for 3 years now, but he didn't have back surgery before any of those years.  I think the over/under on starts for him this year should be 25.

by nihil67 on Jan 5, 2007 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

Zips
The Zips have been run for Johnson in Arizona... If he lives up to this, this trade was a bloody coup.

Player      W   L   G  GS   IP    H   ER  HR  BB  SO   ERA   WHIP
AZ-Johnson 17  10  33  33  216  195   87  28  57 206  3.63   1.17
NY-Johnson 19   9  34  34  223  202   92  27  54 196  3.71   1.15

by nihil67 on Jan 5, 2007 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Even pro-rated...
To 25 starts, say a 13-8 record with a 3.63 ERA, would be pretty welcome. It is a roll of the dice as far as his health goes, but the periphs all suggest this was a worthwhile one, and compared to some of the free-agent signings we've seen, makes a lot more sense. Our bullpen may still be an issue, but with four starters now capable of pitching into the seventh inning or beyond we shouldn't need much more than Valverde, Medders and Cruz. :-)

by Jim McLennan on Jan 5, 2007 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Market Cost
We should also be including the cost of the pitching market right now.  With that in mind, I don't think this is the best trade ever - but I don't think it is a bad one at all.  We had some talent to give, and we used it without having to give up TOO much.

Our team is better this year and next with an average Randy than if we didn't get him at all - and if he excels -- even better.

by Mister T in AZ @ AZ Snakepit on Jan 5, 2007 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a thought...
It'll certainly add some pep to the games against the Dodgers, if Johnson is pitching against Gonzo... Be very interesting to see what happens there!

by Jim McLennan on Jan 5, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

did not think of that.
and we have a three game road trip against the yanks so, hmmmmm....
"That god damned Dutchman (Honus Wagner) is the only man in the game I can't scare." -Ty Cobb

by flyingdutchman on Jan 5, 2007 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

State of the Bullpen ...
I'm not too worried about the state of the bullpen, considering we made more moves in Spring Training last year then we have this whole off season.  I think we should have the opportunity to ship Chris Carter to a AL team looking for young, full time DH talent/problem first baseman.  Hell, could we move both Tony Clark AND Chris Carter for a few key relievers?

I guess we also have the question of Scott Hariston and the catcher situation, as we know that Randy liked to have his own pitcher in New York.  Does (shocking as this sound) Chris Snyder become expendable, as we have stated that Montero is the future as a backstop and Randy's familiarity with Hammock makes him the more likely candidate to be catching for him?

Personally, while this is all my own wild speculation, I do think that moving a catcher will be preferable for many posters here vs. moving Hariston, but only time will tell.

"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jan 5, 2007 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

yeah your right
I would like to see us trade Clark and Carter simpliy because Carter is a DH no doubt so he obviously would go good in the A.L. and Clark is just well broken and not enthusiastic about playing.  We could get some good relivers, not great but good.
"That god damned Dutchman (Honus Wagner) is the only man in the game I can't scare." -Ty Cobb

by flyingdutchman on Jan 5, 2007 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Wildly Wrong?
I simply listed ALL of the players that were available and did not intend to convey that they all were going to be sent to New York!

That said, Luis Vizcaino's lot in life just got incredibly more difficult.  Except for one season in Chicago, Viz has been a 'small market' pitcher (Oakland, Milwaukee, Arizona) and pitching against some of the best hitters in the game in the pressure-cooker that is Yankee Stadium will be a true test.  I wish him well but hope the Yankees fall completely apart.  

by richnick1 on Jan 10, 2007 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

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