Gameday Thread, #63: 6/11 vs Mets

by npineda on Jun 11, 2006 6:29 AM EDT in Events

Pedro Martinez, RHP (5-2, 3.01)

Russ Ortiz, RHP (0-4, 6.52)

Before I even start this thread, allow me to begin with a quote my father told me once. He looked at me deep in the eyes during a 10 year old softball game that he was guest coaching while the coach took another player to the ER. He took a sip of his beer, and as the drops rolled down the hair on his lip and chin, he said "Nick. I know someone has said something motivational to you at some point in your life. Remember that now."

So, you've been warned. Take my dad's advice to heart now.

So ... I deserve this. I damn well know I deserve to blog this game. Because I decided to talk the largest amount of smack that has ever been talked to a former Soccar Hooligan :).

What can I say about this game? Nothing looks good. The lines? Umm, Pedro owns while the Manatee blows. Pedro has been nothing short of dominant in his career against AZ : 28IP, 1.29 ERA, and just over 8K's per 9IP. And we counter with Russ Ortiz.

Ahh, Russ Ortiz. Russ Ortiz, as a free agent he joined his new club last season, just like Pedro, should come in with the chance of putting up respectable numbers, right? Umm ... Sure. Why not? Russ has been pwned against the Met's, dating back to the ATL days (see, I got to use ATL again, that's a good omen). The plus side? He does have a winning percentage over .500 against them (9-6), but, he did have the advantage of those 2 pitcher friendly parks out on the East Coast before. I've been trying to dig up Ground Ball vs. Fly Ball ratio, but couldn't find one ... but, Russ has the following keys to the game to win this one:

#1 - Keep the ball tight to the batter. These Met batters have been lighting fire against us, and I just feel that keeping it tight is gonna prevent them from knocking it around the bleachers and the corners.

#2 - Keep the ball at the letters, but don't be afraid to drop it down. You keep it high on these guys, and it's gone faster then a slice of meatball pizza at Lombardo's at 2 AM. Which, Russ knows something about ...

#3 - Get Pedro to stand between you and the BBQ Cocktail weenies at the pre-game mixer. Hopefully, you can knock the wind out of him and down him in the sweet tangy BBQ sauce that those delicious tooth pick speared pork products soak in.

Ummmm ... Pork.

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We are toast!

Jimmie:

I know stranger things have happened. It is not that time.

This team has decided to lay down.

They refuse to protect home turf.

They believe that it is better to give and then receive.

The Metropolitans are a very good team. We are not.

Things are beginning to smell bad. I believe that BMel is showing his growing loss of credibility. I wonder what Wally Backman is up to these days?

It is extremely disturbing to witness this team's debacle of a performance for the last 6 and soon to be 7 games.

Prediction for today's performances are as follows:

Russ Ortiz will have the wheels fall off in the first inning. 3+ walks will be posted and 3+ runs will have been crossed, again within the first inning. I know that is not much of a stretch.

Count on Co Jacked to muff up a play at first and oblige us with an error, officially.

Tracy will also allow an error. Mr. K will also support at least a K, if not more for at bat performances.

BMel will not encourage any type of hit and run, nor bunts with runners in scoring position. BMel has decided to manage this team from the Al Pedrique's Manager Handbook.

It is okay for our catchers to at least try to throw out baserunners. Juan Brito must be on the verge of being called up.

Gonzo's back to the soft style defense of covering left field. Gonzo has hung up his triples and homers production for the year.

Put in Andy Green in left field. His defense might be suspect, but at least you will get some pop from his bat being in the line up. Green might even get us a dinger.

It is okay to work the counts deep on the opposing pitchers. Mets and previously, the Phillies, believed in working our pitchers deep into the counts. Look at our first inning performances in all six losses. Pitch counts for our so called starters are in the double digits. Very good efficiency?

The Bull pen is now off the charts. Muddles and Poo Poo Grande have lost they effectiveness. Both will guarantee the opposition at least an obligatory run, if not two per each of their appearances. From Poo Poo Grande, fast ball hitters can now rejoice. Work on your bat speed. Once you have tagged Poo Poo, your efforts will be rewarded. Don't worry about receiving anything that looks like a change up. Just make sure your swing is nice, level, and quick. Production will be forthcoming and handsomely rewarded.

One last prediction for today, the Mets will not have to worry about any DWacks walk off appearances. This game will be done by the end of the 2nd inning. Mets relief will get in some very good and effective work.

Hey, bring on the Giants! We should be able to cure any of our ailments with them!

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 8:53 AM EDT reply actions

If I might quote a movie...

"Baby steps to get on the elevator, baby steps to get on the elevator..."
-What About Bob?

I'm not looking for a win today. I'd like some hits. I'd like a couple runs. I'd like Ortiz to pitch a respectable game, but I doubt that'd happen. But I'd like to see this offense and defense start doing something today.

by kishi on Jun 11, 2006 1:28 PM EDT reply actions

Aim low and hope for the best!

I'm really trying to be optimistic, but it's Ortiz on the mound today - - I guess being competitive against Pedro is all we can hope for.

Hopefully, this market correction ends as soon as the Mets leave town! Oh, and if/when Ortiz blows up today, the next move by Byrnes should be to outright release good ol' Russ, bloated contract or not!

by IndyDBack on Jun 11, 2006 2:32 PM EDT reply actions

Can't...not...look...

It's like watching a drunk trying to stagger across the 101 freeway at rush-hour - you know it's going to end badly, but you can't tear your eyes away. However, the team has pulled some surprises out of its back in the past, when the pitching matchup has been less than favourable to us, so...

But, really, I do not think this will be one of those days. Today's lineup of lambs to the slaughter:

C. Counsell ss .279
J. DaVanon cf .288
L. Gonzalez lf .262
C. Tracy 3b .286
C. Jackson 1b .278
S. Green rf .319
J. Estrada c .311
O. Hudson 2b .251
R. Ortiz p .000

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 4:40 PM EDT reply actions

So far, so bad...

A walk, a stolen base, and a bunt single that left Ortiz sprawling on the infield like a beached version of his nickname. First and third, no-one out. Joy.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 4:47 PM EDT reply actions

A mountain to climb...

An error by Hudson brings in one run; a double scores two more. 3-0 to NY. Joe G's comment: giving a three-run lead in the first to the Mets is like coming down on Christmas morning to find no presents under the tree. Pedro got 'em all.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 4:58 PM EDT reply actions

Best comment ever

by nihil67 on Jun 11, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions

What's there to discuss?

Ortiz IS a POS!! This homestand has become unwatchable - - Melvin better figure out someway to get this club going and quick!

by IndyDBack on Jun 11, 2006 5:05 PM EDT reply actions

Are we?

Are we running the bases aggresivly? That's something I haven't seen in awhile ...

"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on Jun 11, 2006 5:06 PM EDT reply actions

F**k!!!

This is freaking comical!! Counsell nailed at the plate and we fail to score; Ortiz comes out and plunks Milledge with the first pitch!

by IndyDBack on Jun 11, 2006 5:11 PM EDT reply actions

I'm off to work.

Somehow, ten hours of answering email from irate customers appeals when compared to the alternative of watching the game. Still, sure I'll peer round the corner at the wreckage from there...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 5:16 PM EDT reply actions

You missed...

the word "overpaid" out. :-(

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

2 run double for Beltran in 4th

3 RBI's for him, and I think Ortiz had him at 3-0.

Mets have 5 runs.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:01 PM EDT reply actions

3 consecutive doubles

given up by Ortiz, 7-0 Mets. Melvin takes Ortiz out of the game. Ortiz needs to announce his retirement. He ain't got it no mo'.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:06 PM EDT reply actions

7-0 to the Mets now.

Ortiz yankes after 3.1 innings - seven runs, five earned, and he's responsible for the runner on second. Returning to my earlier metaphor, the drunk started off by sliding under a bus, then bounced off a couple of cars but was finally nailed by a semi in the middle lane, and is roadkill.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 6:08 PM EDT reply actions

The Turk is coming for Otissue

Russ:

You are now designated for assignment. Tennessee is now beckoning for your obeseness.

Elmer Dessens should have been given the same fate.

Russ you are truly a POS!

Thanks for the memories. You are a big friggin HUMP.

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:09 PM EDT reply actions

Jarvis in for Ortiz

in the 4th. This is like his 4th appearance in the past week.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:09 PM EDT reply actions

F**** YOU

russ ortiz. why cant you take your big fat a$$ and go down to missoula and just sulk there saying nothing is wrong with your pitching. maybe you can get some rookie ballers out. just dont ever show your face on a Major League Baseball diamond again. better yet go to antartica and see if you can get penguins out! And while your at it give us all the money we have payed you back because you wont be needing it in Antarctica. Maybe we should give this Greg Smith a try. cant be any worse. then Russ "doughnuts" "Manatee" "Fat A$$" "Excuses" Ortiz.

sorry for my rant but i cant take a 7 game losing streak. it is hard on me. and i will take any pitcher in the minors over russ

Webb=Cy Young

by webby17 on Jun 11, 2006 6:10 PM EDT reply actions

Ortiz jawing at Estrada?

Looked like Ortiz had some words for Estrada after Melvin yanked him. Wonder what the deal was there?

by nihil67 on Jun 11, 2006 6:10 PM EDT reply actions

Tommie B. is also FOS

FOS Full of Sh*t. *=I

Tommie B. likes to talk with a mouth full of sh*t.

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:12 PM EDT reply actions

The line on Ortiz

3.1 IP, 7 H, 4 BB, 4 K, 7 R, 5 ER.
Four of the hits were for extra bases: his ERA is now 7.54. Really: waive him, kiss the $20m-odd remaining goodbye and plan for the future.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 6:16 PM EDT reply actions

Notice the tiff between Rust and Ponch's Bro

Ponch's little bro was getting some heat from Rust. Do you think that RusT has a chip in his A$$? Ponch's little bro might know how to pitch better that Rust?

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:18 PM EDT reply actions

K Tracy is up to bat!

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:19 PM EDT reply actions

Ortiz, leave Estrada alone

Take our advice, your career is over. 5-16 since becoming a Diamondback. Stick a fork in the Manatee, for he is done.

Retire, Retire, Retire.

Do baseball a favor and find something else to do with your life. Sell insurance. Run for Congress. Buy a minor league team. If you can't display talent yourself have the decency to step aside and help develop it.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:19 PM EDT reply actions

K Tracy predictable

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:20 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder...

how is Dontrell doin'? I will find out...

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:21 PM EDT reply actions

Another Kick ass offensive display

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:22 PM EDT reply actions

Even Pete gets some offense going

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:25 PM EDT reply actions

The wheels off the bus

go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.

The wheels off the bus
go round and round,
all through the town.

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:29 PM EDT reply actions

Joe Sr. wants to leave early

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:32 PM EDT reply actions

10-0 now.

This is becoming an embarrassment. Position player to pitch by the end of the day?

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 6:33 PM EDT reply actions

Are we going to be like 2004

all over again??? Like I said...have a players-only meeting and talk this out. Or else concede this season and possibly even next. Momentum.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:33 PM EDT reply actions

Ow

My decision to spend my afternoon doing some shopping was obviously the right one.

by kishi on Jun 11, 2006 6:34 PM EDT reply actions

13-0 Mets

"You know, all's I can say is 'uncle'".... Tom Candiotti.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:37 PM EDT reply actions

And bad news

The Dodger won. Unless something of the "miracle" scale happens, we'll be out of first by the time we go to sleep tonight...

by kishi on Jun 11, 2006 6:38 PM EDT reply actions

KJ should receive the hook at any moment

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:38 PM EDT reply actions

W L record will be below .500 soon

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:39 PM EDT reply actions

Does H Caray have any pull?

What do you think Harry Caray has been saying to God since the Cubs demise in 2004?

I can only imagine what he would say if he were doing this game! Holy sh*t, Holy Cow, Holy M F!

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:41 PM EDT reply actions

"This is the low water mark..."

of the season, sez Schulte. The entire Mets batting order has been up 4 times so far this game.

OH MY GODD!!!! ESTRADA HITS A HR INTO THE POOL!@!!!!! ITS A MIRACLE!!!!! 13-1!!!!!

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:42 PM EDT reply actions

Only down by 12 Ponch's Lil Bro

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:42 PM EDT reply actions

Woah!

Kevin Jarvis' ERA going into the 5th: 1.50
Kevin Jarvis' ERA leaving the 5th: 9.95

I believe the phrase is "tee-ball-like ERA."

by kishi on Jun 11, 2006 6:44 PM EDT reply actions

Schulte is a Genius!

The Govna sucks also!

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:44 PM EDT reply actions

Candiotti is talking about the last road trip

like it happened 5 years ago or something. Aquino warming up in the pen.

Easley lines a hard out to Wright at 3rd.

Counse is up.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:44 PM EDT reply actions

It wasn't?

It certainly feels like it was, at least, months ago.

by kishi on Jun 11, 2006 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

KJ is an enabler with this wreck

No reason why he should not share in the joy of this misery also!

BMel, you could be next to be shown the Managerial Door!

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:46 PM EDT reply actions

Russ Ortiz

Has already showered and done a postgame interview:

"I was really pleased with my outing today. I had the hitters right where I wanted them and was in control of the game. I know some of the fans look at the line and they aren't supportive, but the truth is that they really don't understand baseball."

what a jackass.

by andrewinnewyork on Jun 11, 2006 6:46 PM EDT reply actions

I'd laugh, except...

You're probably right. Besides, I'm too busy tying the noose to the shower fixture.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Tell me you are kidding

about those comments.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Ortiz

Did he really say that?

by kylerkenney on Jun 11, 2006 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh My God Counsell Got a Hit!!!!

Can DaVanon get a hit now??????

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 6:47 PM EDT reply actions

BMel pull the starters

Time to get some work for the bench sitters. All should participate in this misery.

Thanks for a great Father's Day present! (Big giant smelly FART)

"These condoms are defective!" George Costanza

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:49 PM EDT reply actions

I Mush be Movin On

Supertramp, Breakfast In America

livestrong & wear yellow; the truth is out there; it may not be true, but accurate, Dan Rather; bababooey to you all!

by icecoldmo on Jun 11, 2006 6:50 PM EDT reply actions

Mets today

Almost batting .500: 13-for-28 before this inning.

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 6:59 PM EDT reply actions

Hey, Pedro's gone...

We've got the Mets right where we want them...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 7:03 PM EDT reply actions

It's Kids Run the Show day

and Schulte and Candiotti are interviewing some 10 year old kid in the booth in the 7th.

I think a Little League team might actually put up better effort and numbers than our D-Backs.

by micmac99 on Jun 11, 2006 7:09 PM EDT reply actions

Good bye

first place...

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:14 PM EDT reply actions

10 run inning.

I wish.

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:18 PM EDT reply actions

Hudson

got a hit!

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:19 PM EDT reply actions

Come on Easley!

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:19 PM EDT reply actions

Our season

is done.

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:20 PM EDT reply actions

I seriously hope

that we call up our prospects. They deserve to play rather than our crappy Vets.

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:21 PM EDT reply actions

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"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:22 PM EDT reply actions

Another fine outing for Valverde...

Five batters faced, four reached (two hits and two walks), two earned runs in 0.1 innings. ERA at 6.38 and looking likely to climb further...

by Jim McLennan on Jun 11, 2006 7:38 PM EDT reply actions

Did I miss anything?

After Gonzo K'd to end the third, I figured that watching Happy Gilmore was preferable to witnessing the inevitable Ortiz meltdown...guess I was right.

Ortiz. DFA/outright release. NOW!
Get Gonzo out of the three spot - #6 looks like a good place for him.
It might be time for Mr. Drew to make an appearance at Chase Field, along with Carlos Quentin. Reactionary move or not, it's time to let the youngsters show their stuff.
BoMel - - ????

by IndyDBack on Jun 11, 2006 7:44 PM EDT reply actions

CALL UP DREW & Q

our prized possessions
those who are the glow of the heart,
are need now.
Losing is not the end,
but the end is looming.
Oh, the prospects of this journey seems cinematic
And it seems that it will never end.
Oh, help us.
The pain seems neverending.

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

We cant comeback

like the earlier games. We are too tired. Rest them about once a week and call up our prospects. they deserve to play up here. WE are lousy.

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:45 PM EDT reply actions

ANOTHER F****IN K

For tracy. Too many mistakes. WE NEED A TEAM MEETING BADLY!

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:50 PM EDT reply actions

We were fine

before the BUSS and Mulondidontcarehowtospellhisname was back. Fuckin call them down. Come on Byrnes! Do you see this team?!

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 7:55 PM EDT reply actions

Unlucky Seven

Now maybe its time to turn it around on game VIII. Hmm...VIII.

"very cunning Mr. *VIII*" -- Jim

by Mr. Philosophical on Jun 11, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions

Can I open my eyes now?

Not a nice way to wake up and see 15 runs for the Mets....
looks for a silver lining somewhere
Oh well, at least the D'Backs don't have to play the Mets anymore in the regular season after this game

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on Jun 11, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions

It's kinda funny to me

how quickly everyone turns... especially after all the crap I've taken for being pesimistic here.

I do, however, agree and have been saying since before the season started: It's time for Jarvis (DFA), Ortiz (DFA), Gonzo (Trade), Easley (Who cares), Batista (Trade), Mulholland (DFA), Hudson (Trade), Lyon (Do whatever), Vargas (no idea), Clark (maybe trade?), and maybe even Shawn Green (the most tradable of our vets?) to be shown the door. Bring these awesome prospects up that we keep hearing about. I keep getting told that we have the best farm system in the majors now. Time to see proof.

by nihil67 on Jun 11, 2006 9:06 PM EDT reply actions

Yep, you called it correctly

I figured we would be a .500 team this season, so naturally I got drawn in with our last road trip; I still have hope for the season, but I would gladly sacrifice some wins to get playing time for the youngsters down in Tucson. I just cannot believe that a team that looked so good one week ago could look so pathetic in seven home games this week - - I know all teams go through cycles, but this week bordered on the absurd!

Oh, and I can't say this enough: GET RID OF ORTIZ...NOW!!

by IndyDBack on Jun 11, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions