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Gameday Thread, #52: 5/31 vs Mets

Brandon Webb, RHP (8-0, 2.18)
Pedro Martinez, RHP (5-1, 2.79)

Tonight is The Big One. Brandon Webb vs. Pedro Martinez in Shea Stadium. Webb returns to the scene of his first major-league start, where he burst onto the world in 2003. On April 27th, five days after his debut (pitching the ninth against the Expos at BOB), he faced Tom Glavine - and gave the future Hall of Famer a lesson. Webb pitched seven shutout innings, allowed three hits and fanned ten Mets, on his way to victory.

No question, Webb likes pitching in Shea. His second outing was almost as successful - seven innings, one earned run, giving him this career line in the Big Apple:
Webb: 14 IP, 10 H, 3 BB, 16 K, 1 ER
Webb has yet to taste defeat this season, and his ERA of 2.18 leads the National League. But his opponent is, arguably, the greatest pitcher of the modern era, with a career record of 202-85 - that's over a .700 winning percentage, third-best all-time among pitchers with 100+ decisions. This is his 16th season, and he's yet to post an ERA+ below 117 - it hasn't been below 125 since 1996. So, we duly give Martinez the respect he deserves: it will not be easy for our hitters this afternoon.

And yet, Webb has been magnificent in 2006. Over at Sports Illustrated, Albert Chen drools over Webb, calling his sinker, "arguably the filthiest pitch in baseball." He does point to the improved defense as helping, but also credits Webb with a much-improved curveball. Says Webb, "I've been able to throw it for strikes. To come out with a first-pitch curveball for a strike is huge for me because people know that the sinker is coming." There's no doubt that Webb, already a good pitcher, is a genuine ace thus far.

Yes, folks: this one promises to be a doozie, matching up two pitchers with a combined winning percentage this year of .929 - this is, basically, your irresistible force meeting your immovable object. I'm clearing the decks of all superfluous activities, so that I can sit down and appreciate this one fully. I'm sure you're eagerly anticipating it as well, and I look forward to a top-notch pitching duel. It wouldn't surprise me if the game is over in about 2:10 - don't blink or you might miss an inning.

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And we're under way...
  1. C. Counsell ss .304
  2. E. Byrnes cf .322
  3. C. Tracy 3b .299
  4. L. Gonzalez lf .279
  5. T. Clark 1b .161
  6. S. Green rf .333
  7. J. Estrada c .312
  8. O. Hudson 2b .236
  9. B. Webb p .161

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

already 0-2
The good steal by Byrnes is wasted.  Both Tracy and Gonzo fail to get the runner in from scoring position.

by frienetic on May 31, 2006 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

so why do you think CoJack is out of the lineup?
In general I would think he would be rewarded for a 3-run jack, but Clark gets the start.  Purely defensive minded?

by frienetic on May 31, 2006 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes?
Deffinatly defensive advantages ... What's the line been on Clark as of late offesnivly?
"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mediocre...
Offhand, something like three hits in the month of May. Maybe his stats against Pedro are better?

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm ...
Did get a lot of play against him in 2004 when he was part of the Yankees and Giambi was on the bench with a not at all steroid related illiness.
"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unlucky, but...
Estrada should have been standing on second after that clunker of a drop by Milledge in the outfield, and would then probably have scored on Hudson's single. Webb unlucky not get a hit - has a hearty rip at a Martinez fastball, but an infield webgem saves the Mets.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Three scoreless innings
For each team: this is every bit the pitcher's duel anticipated, with Martinez and Webb looking totally filthy. Great stuff.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 7:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Couple of hard-hit balls off Pedro
But we go down 1-2-3. Tony Clark in the month of May is batting .107, 3-for-28, and is down to .156 for the season. Remind me again why he's starting?

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Entrance Music
So, Jose Reyes comes to the plate to Daddy Yankee - Rompe, and David Wright comes to the plate to The Beastie Boys 'Brass Monkey'. That's ... AWESOME.
"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

New York's finest...
Though I'm surprise Rompe doesn't get booed, like everything else "Yankee"-related at Shea Stadium. :-)

Both pitchers still posting zeroes. Barely an hour gone, we're in the bottom of the fifth.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

A clinic in styles
Pedro = Power and flyballs, resulting in a gold glove effort in the outfield.

Brandon = Finese and groundballs, resulting in a gold glove effort in the infield.

Just saying :)

"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Lastings Milledge gets schooled
0-for-2 with 2 K's vs. Webb today, and made to look like a total rookie both times. Mind you, given the Fox Sports Net radar-gun clocked Webb's first two pitches at 97 and, ah, 99 mph, I'm not surprised. :-) Let's just hope the cameras on the 101 in Scottsdale are a little more accurate.

You listening to the radio, Mr. Pineda? :-)

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes Sir!
Can you blame me today?  this is the most exciting game I've had this far into the season.  Whoever blinks first, looses.

Hey, did you find anyone to take up game day post's for the weekend?

"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so far...
Assuming you're offering, I'll get you given admin rights! :-)

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol
If no one else has said so, yes I'd be interested.  I sent ya an e-mail at work, but let me know :)
"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leadoff single
Counsell on for Byrnes...

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Byrnes hits one to deep center....
but it's an out

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Tracy singles
but Counsell gets thrown out at 3rd

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Was a little surprised...
To see Counsell trying for third, even with one out. He should score from second on a base hit, and I doubt we had much of a scouting report on Milledge's arm. We know now... :-(

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we go to the bottom of the 6th
Still scoreless surprisingly :)

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:30 PM EDT reply actions  

After 6 innings
Webb : 2 hits, 9:3 GO:FO, 5/1 K/BB, 79 pitches
Martinez : 4 hits, 2:9 GO:FO, 6/0 K/BB, 84 pitches

Still balanced precariously....

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

2-out single by Estrada
Hudson and Webb up next though....

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Hudson pops out
and...we're still scoreless after 6 1/2

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn Sorry
I went to Fenway Park for a Tour with the school. So what did i miss?
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh?
Fenway?  Your WAYYYY East lol
"Trust me, I'm Not That Good At This" - Me

by npineda on May 31, 2006 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I live in Connecticut... lol.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back-to-back singles
with 2 outs have put runners at the corners against Webb.  Jose Valentin at the plate

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Jeez
This is scary. I came back from a great history trip to a scary rubber match.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?
Why do the met's play the theme from Mortal Kombat?
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on May 31, 2006 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

phew
Valentin Pops out. Come on D-Backs!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Webb gets out
after an 8-pitch battle but he is now up to 100 pitches.  After 7, eggs for both teams

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

That was close...
Mind you, Valentin got the benefit of a very doubtful call on ball three. But a fine job by Webb. He's just over 100 pitches. Do you pinch-hit for him in the eighth, or try to get one more inning out of him?

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that was answered
DaVanon hitting for Webb.  Another scoreless start.  Webb can still win but can't lose now

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

A meeting???
Who schedules a meeting when there is a pitching duel between Webb and Martinez?....Argggh, no....
[gets dragged along with his chair from his cubicle]

by William K @ AZ Snakepit on May 31, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

So Webb is out
Davanon will pinch in.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Sick Game
Whoever flinches, looses.
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on May 31, 2006 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Webb's scoreless streak
25.1 innings, but a no-decision. Let's hope the bullpen hold out. Looks like Vizcaino for the eighth.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Webb's ERA is
2.01 Man, Webb is not a strikeout pitcher but can you say Future Clemens
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

NL West Update:
LAD 1
ATL 7
Bot 5th

COL 2
SD 3
Final

SF 4
FLA 1
Top 8th

"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF?
Soccer Chant?
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG
What a HEARTATTACK! Byrnes!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

win
we need it
Webb=Cy Young

by webby17 on May 31, 2006 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

tony
all up to big Tony
Webb=Cy Young

by webby17 on May 31, 2006 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

GRR
1-2-3 Inning.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Clark in May...
3-for-30: .100. And .161 on the year. Do you think he'll get a fifth at-bat this game, and the chance of redemption?

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad.
Make that .152 on the year. He's 5-for-41 in games when he gets the start.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap
first pitch swinging out
Webb=Cy Young

by webby17 on May 31, 2006 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Damnz
Nice Curveball.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

FABULOUS breaking ball by Lyon
To strike out Beltran - when it left his hand, I though it was going to the backstop.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Julio is the new closer
for the timebeing.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions  

3 Strike K
Nicenicenciencienciecneie
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Beautiful
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Sh*t Wright
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Ks the side
Wow. Lyon is looking like his old 2005 form before the injury.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

One Swing Changes the game ...
In the words of a marginally talented comedian ... Get Er Done!!!
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on May 31, 2006 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Green hits a leadoff single.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

J-Strada
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

NO DONT BUNT!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great inning by Lyon.
That was just lethal stuff. The two teams have now combined for 18 scoreless frames: into extra innings we go. Whatever happens: it's been a fabulous game to watch.

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Stupid move...
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

SB
For Green!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Fielders Choice...
Man Green is out by a bad lead
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

CoJack up
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

BB for the Guru of Patiences
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

D-Backs up 11th
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Twenty scoreless innings now...
This reminds me of that marathon game in 2001 against the Giants: 18-innings, finally won 1-0 by Arizona

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

who is hurt
Webb=Cy Young

by webby17 on May 31, 2006 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Beltran
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on May 31, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok
better than medders
Webb=Cy Young

by webby17 on May 31, 2006 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Clark
With a single
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

even though it's top of the 12th
the game is still at a blazing clip.  Only 10 on the east coast for only 3 hours gametime so far.

by frienetic on May 31, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Into the twelfth...
Mrs. SnakePit is making noises, suggesting that my dinner will be in the dog if we don't eat it now, but I will insist that the TV goes on in the living-room!

by Jim McLennan on May 31, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

DP.
Ugh.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Juilo!
To Help out the tied 0 Game
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Shutout for the D-Backs
So Far.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 2 3
nice inning for Jorge against his old team

by frienetic on May 31, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Green
Pinch hitting for Jorge.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Where's
Jarvis?
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

saving for last
normally he's last resort and will pitch till we win.  That's my guess

by frienetic on May 31, 2006 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counsell
Hits a Double. Come on Byrnes!
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Man
Wasted opportunity.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Mets win
Damn what a thriller..
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh ...
Bummer, but a hell of a game.  I'd have to say we blinked first by using our best relivers for an inning at a time.  Sigh ...
"Pepper needs new shorts!"

by npineda on May 31, 2006 10:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah
that was kind of crapish the way the bullpen was handled in extra innings.
"They call me the princess of third base" -- Chad Tracy

by Mr. Philosophical on May 31, 2006 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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